Talk:Marcus Valerius Corvus

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Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is there a reason for the name of this Page to miss his cognomen "Maximus"? Should we move this article to Marcus Valerius Maximus Corvus? Lerong Lin (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 9 December 2020

Latest comment: 3 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. Reasonable arguments on both sides (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 02:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Marcus Valerius Corvus → Marcus Valerius Maximus Corvus – I do not see a reason to miss his cognomen "Maximus" since it identifies him to the family he belongs to, and he is usually addressed with his cognomen both in Ancient and Modern times. Lerong Lin (talk) 04:20, 9 December 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Lean oppose. Actually, he's usually referred to as "Marcus Valerius Corvus". He was descended from the Valerii Maximi and entitled to the surname "Maximus", but he is better known by the surname "Corvus", since there were a number of other prominent Valerii Maximi. This form of his name is more familiar and more likely to be searched for. If the title of the article omitted his praenomen or nomen gentilicium, I might be more inclined to move it; but as it is I think it's at the best title already. P Aculeius (talk) 15:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Indeed there are many other prominent Valerii Maximi, but it is still very important to identify him as a member of the "Maximi", since the ancestry of a person is vital for their success in Rome. Thus, he cannot be "Corvus" without being "Maximus". Furthermore, adding a "maximus" to the name of this article should not affect the search result of "Marcus Valerius Corvus", his agnomen "Corvus" will still be able to identify him. Moreover, I believe modern readers should identify ancient individuals using their "proper" names, and it's up to us to change that. Lerong Lin (talk) 00:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Support, considering that he likely bore the cognomen Maximus in his youth, and it would be an additional disambiguation. The article should tell that he came from the Valerii Maximi though. T8612 (talk) 17:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Oppose . Whether that is his full name or not, this is an article title you're proposing. Would that make it more recognizable? Would someone looking simply for "Marcus Valerius Corvus" realize this is one and the same person? Nothing is preventing his full name being in the lede. But I don't see why it needs to be in the title. Walrasiad (talk) 11:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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