Talk:Margie

Requested move 30 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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result:
No consensus. After more than a month and two relists, still see no agreement below to change these page titles. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can discover new arguments, strengthen old ones and try again in a few months to rename these pages. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 19:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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• Margie → Margie (given name)
• Margie (disambiguation) → Margie

– Given that the Margie (disambiguation) page lists the jazz standard Margie (song), two films, a TV series and other entries, it seems unlikely that users typing "Margie" are primarily searching for a list of women named "Margie". Most entries under Category:English-language feminine given names are not WP:PRIMARYTOPICS. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. The non-given name entries are not, AFAIK, particularly high-profile. Also, it appears roughly 50/50 whether other feminine given names are primary topics. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment On one hand, Margie (disambiguation) gets an order of magnitude fewer pageviews than Margie [1]. On the other hand, WikiNav says the overwhelming majority of the outgoing clicks from Margie are for Margie (disambiguation) [2]. So readers are arriving at this page and then not clicking anywhere? Dunno if that means means they found everything they needed to know on this page itself (e.g. they were looking for an explanation of the name itself), or because they gave up on finding whatever they needed, or what. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment. It may be noted that, in addition to the 123-entry Category:English-language feminine given names mentioned in the nomination, there is the very similar, but much larger 733-entry Category:English feminine given names. The two categories do not appear to duplicate each other — names listed under one category are not under the other category. Also, there is no attempt for any of these to be WP:CONSISTENT as far as primary topic is concerned — some, such as Aileen or Alaina are standalone, others, such as Alex or Alexandra are primary, while many others use parenthetical qualifiers "(name)" or "(given name)". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

  It may be noted that, in addition to the 123-entry Category:English-language feminine given names mentioned in the nomination, there is the very similar, but much larger 733-entry Category:English feminine given names. The two categories do not appear to duplicate each other — names listed under one category are not under the other category. Yes, because of WP:CATDIFFUSE. Category:English-language feminine given names (part of the Category:Names by language tree) is a parent category of Category:English feminine given names (part of the Category:Names by culture tree). Names which are verifiably from England (as opposed to some other part of the Anglosphere) go in the latter category. Names which are known to be English-language, but for which no one has found any sources about which Anglosphere culture they come from, go in the former category.

  Also, there is no attempt for any of these to be WP:CONSISTENT as far as primary topic is concerned Because consistency is not a consideration in how WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY works. The given name Layla (covered at Leila (name)#Layla) is non-primary because of Layla the song; the given name Michael is primary notwithstanding the existence of the obscure Michael (Franz Ferdinand song). Finally, the choice between whether the name article should have an WP:Embedded list of people by the name, or whether the list should be split out (e.g. list of people with given name Michael) is driven by concerns such as WP:ARTICLESIZE. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support though the given name may be primary by long-term significance the 1946 film has 541 views, the TV series has 332, the song has 230, the 1940 film has 25, the place in Minnesota has 17, the journal has 6 and the place in Alberta has 1 compared with only 217[[3]] for the given name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:Clarityfiend - UtherSRG (talk) 11:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support There is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Margie (1946 film) and Margie (TV series) get more page views,[4] and they aren't even the current base tile.—Bagumba (talk) 08:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.