Talk:Maria Ceres Doyo

Contested deletion

Someone moved a perfectly viable stub article into a draft. I submit that it should be restored, rather than deleted. --MoxiePH (talk) 16:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Missing some vital info. It is just too short to be a stub, will be re-added when it is better. MoonlightVector 16:49, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

"Too short" is a matter of opinion given that the article has plenty of context allowing other editors to expand the material. And don't tell me deletion won't create a stigma against the notability of the subject and the re-creation of the page. - MoxiePH (talk) 16:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Just to be clear, this article isn't without content. The content was moved to Draft:Ma_Ceres_P._Doyo. - MoxiePH (talk) 16:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I am not saying the article is perfect, I'm saying I don't know what you want me to add to bring it up to your seemingly arbitrary standard of length for a stub. It provides the basics, and ample sources. Isn't the point of a stub that it's a work in progress one can invite others to join in? What else do you want? A list of published books? (That'd take some work, maybe a day or two to be definitive) ? A birth date (not gonna happen, for a living journalist who makes a living questioning the government and probably doesn't wanna publicise that information) ? What, the person's high school maybe? - MoxiePH (talk) 17:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, you tell me to ask for a review, but you don't tell me WHERE. Shall I call for Santa Claus maybe? I'm sorry but the lack of guidance given something as serious as a deletion is just... mean. Not the deletion per se, perhaps. But certainly the lack of guidance.- MoxiePH (talk) 17:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Its not deletion its a move. MoonlightVector 17:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

It was a "candidate for speedy deletion" and now it's gone. And when someone tries to turn that redlink blue, it'll say "this was deleted, think very hard before you try to recreate it." WON'T IT? - MoxiePH (talk) 17:11, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

It was a stub. A shoot. I wanted others to be able to water it. IS THAT NOT THE POINT OF A STUB? - MoxiePH (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, it has enough sections to have a Table of Contents already. It isn't even really a stub anymore, is it? Isn't this considered start class? - MoxiePH (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

To quote Wikipedia:Article development: "If you do not have the time to write a full article, consider writing a "stub". Stubs are very short articles—generally just a few sentences. These are the "ugly ducklings" of Wikipedia. With effort, they can mature into "swans"." (Boldfaced emphasis mine). I still think the original did not deserved to be draft-ed, nor the article deleted. I was aiming for breadth, not depth of coverage, and now I don't have spare time from work to create any other journalists.- MoxiePH (talk) 19:04, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I resubmitted it anyways. MoonlightVector 19:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Books

Speaking of books, is WorldCat an acceptable reference? Or do I have to look for references for each individual book? It lists

• Journalist in her country : articles, essays & photographs, 1980-1992 by Ma. Ceres P Doyo;
• Press freedom under siege : reportage that challenged the Marcos dictatorship;
• Macli-ing Dulag : Kalinga chief, defender of the Cordillera by Ma. Ceres P Doyo;
• You can't interview God : church women and men in the news : selected articles from the Philippine Daily Inquirer by Ma. Ceres P Doyo;
• Bituin and the big flood by Ma. Ceres P Doyo;
• Human face : a journalist's encounters and awakenings by Ma. Ceres P Doyo; and
• The sisters have come a long way : a look at the lives of women religious in the Philippines by Ma. Ceres P Doyo

I still think this is something the broader community of Filipino editors should have the chance to add. - MoxiePH (talk) 17:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I just realized that each book existing is a reference to itself in a way. So I'll just add this to the article mainspace. - MoxiePH (talk) 17:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)