Talk:Maria Schneider (actress)

Sexuality, mental health

I (User:Ted Wilkes) posted the following to User talk:Cleduc:

I removed your statement as to her insanity and lesbianism as well as the category. The information that you took from [1] is unacceptable to Wikipedia standards. Should you obtain documented proof from acceptable sources as to this issue and her alleged sexuality, then please reinsert it. In the meantime, to avoid this problem with other article edits I suggest, amongst others, the following Wikipedia policy information would be helpful:

Wikipedia:Reliable sources - Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check - Wikipedia:Forum for Encyclopedic Standards - Wikipedia:Verifiability - Wikipedia:Check your facts

Thank you.

Documented additional sources for this information, notably Roger Ebert's interview. I am seeking further (primary) source validation through the editors of 365gay.com. At this point I am satisfied that these facts have been verified through multiple sources and am putting them back in the article. If necessary, I will dig out the newspaper articles from 1975 in which the original statements were made, though I do not believe that such an effort is required by any reasonable standard. Cleduc 21:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"with a woman she described as her lover" The ref reads : " I signed myself into an asylum for a friend of mine. They locked her up, and so I had to do it out of loyalty." That makes a difference with "she checked herself with her lover", no ? The article seems to imply she had mental problems. Anyway, I'm one of those who think we should talk about careers only, when we talk about actors. Not about their private life, even if their life is exposed in every tabloïd. But that's just me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.48.251.183 (talk) 14:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

(actor) ??

Why is this page named like she was a man ?? shouldn't be (actress) ??

Someone please, correct this insanity. 201.51.81.53 (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"Died after a lengthy illness"?

I don't think that sentence gives enough information to be useful in a wikipedia article. A vague quote from a vague source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 01:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Schneider's family announced her death as "following a long illness" and that was how early media reports carried the story. The detail about dying of cancer emerged later. — O'Dea 04:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Removing unsourced statements.

I am removing the following- Despite her "mystery" comment, Schneider's MySpace fan page indicates her "angel" turned out to be her long time companion Maria Pia Almadio, with photos of Pia at the funeral. There are no sources for this or links for this statement. It also reads as speculation.--99.177.248.92 (talk) 23:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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Completely misleading statement

"Because of the scandal surrounding the film's release, Schneider's career was seriously damaged."

The film didn't "damage" her previously non-existent acting career, it created it. 2604:2000:1580:440E:1920:48F:A553:49A1 (talk) 08:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Better sources.

The article contains many paragraphs which lack inline citations. The Post-Last Tango 1970s section has no sources at all. This also includes WP:TONE problems and editorializing, such as ...argued passionately with the legendary filmmaker... What does "passionately" convey, here? Describing Buñuel as legendary is a WP:PEACOCK in this case, also. Reliable sources should be summarized from a neutral point of view. Grayfell (talk) 07:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@BlueDionysus82: Please review. As for WP:DAILYMAIL1, if it's absolutely necessary, content from it should be clearly attributed in the body of the article as from the Daily Mail, but this should probably be discussed here, first. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 07:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

No sources thus far have been given for the "Post-Last Tango 1970s" and new "1980s" sections for three reasons: on a purely practical level, I simply haven't had the time for this (the new information has only been added over the past two days, along with very limited internet access); secondly, I don't know how to do add inline citations (sorry - I'll read up on this); and, thirdly, at least half of the information is fairly self-evident: i.e. details about the films Schneider has appeared in, already described on Wikipedia. I'm not aware of many of Wikipedia's policies, and I thank you for drawing my attention to these; all of these issues will be corrected in due time (e.g. the tone issues), and sources will be given - I only ask for your patience. I don't think much of what I've added is controversial, really. For someone of her renown, Schneider's page desperately needs filling out, and the problems with it can be gradually weeded out over time... rather than immediately throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and the page being kept rather barren and primarily about her Last Tango controversies. She did, after all, have a life and career outside of that film, and Wikipedia ought to reflect this more thoroughly. Thanks again. BlueDionysus82 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@BlueDionysus82: Sorry I didn't notice this earlier, but you may find Help:Referencing for beginners helpful.

Your changes are still in the article's history, but a common pitfall is to "back-fill" in with sources for information that you personally know to be true (which is original research). It is best practice to start from reliable sources and work from there, but most of us realize this isn't always practical or necessary. Regardless, we cannot rely on other Wikipedia articles, even indirectly, because this is circular referencing, which is not acceptable. Even non-controversial information should, at least, be verifiable, even if it's not directly sourced (it should be sourced, though!) Sources also help demonstrate due weight. I hope that's helpful. Grayfell (talk) 08:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Grayfell: Very helpful. Yes, I am certainly guilty of original research in this case - which I now realize (in the context of what's supposed to be a neutral-POV encyclopedia) is putting the cart before the horse. And it also makes perfect sense not to rely on other Wiki pages. On the positive side, the article (like any other on Wikipedia) is always a work in progress - we can fix things as we go along. But, obviously, we want to avoid unnecessary hindrances, no matter how well intended. There's no question that I need to step up my game if I'm going to help produce a more credible and detailed article. Thanks. BlueDionysus82 (talk) 10:41, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I see where I went wrong. Much of what I wrote is verifiable, but some of it is plain OR - which I have now flagged. I don't know, I'm trying. Either way, I hope my contributions will provoke others to improve and/or add more sourced information to the article. BlueDionysus82 (talk) 05:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your hard work, and I realize this is arcane. I shouldn't have added the BLP tag, that was a silly mistake on my part. More sources are almost always welcome of course, but that's standard enough that it doesn't need a tag. Grayfell (talk) 06:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Actor?

What is the actual point of referring to an actress as an actor?--The Traditionalist (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

actor#The_term_actress werewolf (talk) 12:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Complete filmography filling lede

MOS:LEAD The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies.[2] The notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.

The long complete list of Schneider's films is redundant as they are the filmography in the main body of the article. As far as I can see there was no deletion of material by taking it out the lede, and even if there was so the way to fix that would be to put missing material back in the appropriate (filmography) section. An exhaustive filmography the lede, then duplicated in the many body is all wrong.. Putting in Last Tango and another one that was critically acclaimed and her personal favorite in the lede is fine but the current lede that had been reverted back to is reproducing the entire filmography section, so it is on the page twice. Also lede being reverted to is doubly against WP guidelines because it does not give an overview and summary of the rest of the article.Overagainst (talk) 19:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

wording in lede, second mention of rape scene

The wording of the second mention of rape scene in the lede is a bit confusing:

"The emotional toll on her mental health of this real life rape scene of which she was a victim and her drug addiction as a consequence of it, made what should have been banner years for Schneider increasingly chaotic."

The scene wasn't 'real life' rape to my understanding, it was simulated. Suggesting:

"Her mental health suffered from being coerced into acting out the rape scene, and the public's reaction to the film. Her drug addiction was a consequence. These factors made what should have been banner years for Schneider increasingly chaotic."

Jonpatterns (talk) 15:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)