Talk:Maria Theresa/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Ancestry chart

1. I have no idea where Zortwort got the idea that I removed the template for not liking it.
2. Few graphics of this sort having a citation does not mean that graphics such as this do not need citations.
3. If this ahnentafel were helpful, it would have been present in biographies of Maria Theresa and thus easy to source. Anna Dorothea of Hohenlohe-Neuenstein is entirely irrelevant to Maria Theresa's life, as is basically every ancestor of hers other than parents and grandparents.
4. When Howcheng tagged the section as unsourced, I dealt with it the way that seemed best to me. I would appreciate if Zortwort dealt with it in a way he thinks best. Reverting an attempt to fix the issue and providing no alternative is not vey helpful. Surtsicna (talk) 22:51, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: I ref'd it. Whether Maria's ancestor's are irrelevant to her life or not is itself irrelevant-- these types of charts are not for understanding her life but for easily seeing who she's descended from. Removing a section like that because it's unsourced is not the best way to deal with it-- sourcing it is. Better to leave it with the template than to remove it unless it can't easily be sourced, isn't true, etc. Zortwort (talk) 23:00, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

This is a biography of Maria Theresa, and Wikipedia is not a genealogy directory. Any chart in a biography should be there for understading the subject's life. I can hardly believe that this needs to be said. And who cares about the name of her mother's father's mother's mother? No biographer of hers, certainly! And Wiki biographies should rest on secondary sources. But anyway, I did suggest that you at least source it. Surtsicna (talk) 23:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: This is an article about Maria Theresa, the formatting of most articles involves the biography merely comprising a section of it. The ancestry section is useful for people interested in quickly redirecting to articles on her ancestors. Further, the sources I provided *are* secondary sources, something I should think would be clear. At any rate, the problem's solved now. Zortwort (talk) 23:47, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@Zortwort: While the ancestry section might be interesting to genalogists, we would need a biography of Maria Theresa to show that an ahnentafel going back 5 generations is important to this article - much like this addition might be important to numismatists but not really in general. In any case, this is why ancestry charts should be sourced just like any other content on Wikipedia. Saying that it is frequently unsourced is a very odd justification. Surtsicna (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Note style

Would there be any opposition to converting to EFN-style notes which simply display as a letter, e.g. "a", replacing the current numbered style, e.g. "note 1"? UpdateNerd (talk) 13:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@UpdateNerd I think both are more or less the same... Mimihitam (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

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Maria Theresa's reign ended in 1765?

I noticed that Maria Theresa's end date as HRE Empress is October 1765, with her husband's death. However, didn't she co-rule with her son, Joseph, during this time, and therefore she reigned in the HRE until 1780, when she died and Joseph became sole HRE ruler? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I believe that she was, as a formality, only HRE empress because her husband was emperor, and not in her own right - it wasn’t hereditary and only a man could be elected. Strictly she was just a consort. So when her husband died, her son was elected emperor and she was technically merely the emperor’s mother. The co-ruler status, whether with her husband or son, was of the Austrian/Habsburg dominions, which is distinct from the HRE - and that, of course, is where her political authority actually lay. So, technically the end date as HRE empress is 1765, but her actual political status continued because she was co-ruler of the Habsburg lands. DeCausa (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the confirmation. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 23:34, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Image change

Someone keeps changing the long standing image of the article as opposed to a state portrait. I will make sure to change it back to the long standing and more well known one in case this keeps happening. Whoever is doing this needs to stop. Dancingtudorqueen (talk) 23:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)