Talk:Marie Marcks

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 01:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Marie Marcks in 2006

• ... that Marie Marcks (pictured) was called "the Grande Dame of political cartoons in Germany"?

• Source: https://www.dhm.de/blog/2022/08/25/marie-marcks-centenary/

• ALT1: ... that according to Jutta Limbach, Marie Marcks (pictured) sarcastically caricatured gender roles like no one before? Source: https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/100-geburtstag-marie-marcks-100.html
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Council Working Party
• Comment: A biography of the first woman in Germany who became famous for her political caricatures.

Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.

Munfarid1 (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC).

• Article was nominated on time and is long enough. The article isn't perfect but is in decent condition. Earwig found a lot of close phrasing which I think could be reduced quite easily. Hooks are cited and interesting, ALT 1 needs to make clear that it is an opinion. Llewee (talk) 11:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Ok, I have added the person whose opinion is quoted in ALT 1, if this is what you mean. Also, I have rewritten the close paraphrases as far as possible. Several proper names highlighted by Earwig, however, such as Deutsches Museum für Karikatur und Zeichenkunst, Mark Twain Center for Transatlantic Relations or New Frankfurt School can not be counted as copyright infringement, as far as I know. The overall score in Earwig now is 11,5% with most of the identical words being such proper names. Thanks for your review, and I hope this makes it gtg. Munfarid1 (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hello Munfarid1, thank you for dealing with the copyright issues. I meant the second hook. Apologies, if I wasn't clear. Llewee (talk) 14:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

*Hello Llewee, sorry, the necessary change of ALT 1 was my fault. Just corrected it and restored ALT. Munfarid1 (talk) 15:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Ok, I think the nomination is now ready to pass. Llewee (talk) 15:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

How she became popular

Hello Ravenswing, you changed the last sentence of the second paragaph in /Life and career/ that started from "This made her one of the most important political caricaturists... " to "She became one of the most important political caricaturists", commenting your change as follows: " It is, after all, somewhat absurd to state that the simple act of drawing cartoons about nuclear power plants or gender inequality led inexorably to popularity as a cartoonist." - I don't mind your deletion of the reason for her popularity, but think that it follows logically from the context that it was not the simple act of drawing, but the public reception her work received over the years. IMHO, your comment using the word "absurd" is neglecting the context. Or do I get your meaning wrong? Munfarid1 (talk) 07:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Then it should say so, and such statement needs to be sourced. We cannot say, in Wikipedia voice, that drawing cartoons about nuclear power inexorably leads to popularity, since in fact it doesn't: how many cartoonists have worked on the same themes and yet have gone unheralded? We don't get to just presume the one led to the other. If reliable sources claim so, we can repeat their claims, but only phrased as such: "Soandso states that ..." Ravenswing 16:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)