Talk:Mariupol hospital airstrike
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Marianna Vyshegirskaya
editShe did not die, it was the other woman that died.
https://www.zdg.md/stiri/stiri-externe/sunt-doua-cazuri-diferite-femeia-insarcinata-care-a-murit-fiind-grav-ranita-in-atacul-asupra-maternitatii-din-mariupol-nu-are-nicio-legatura-cu-tanara-gravida-care-a-nascut-o-fetita-perfect-sanatoa/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.26.75.117 (talk) 12:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Number of victims
edit"killing at least four people and injuring at least sixteen, and leading to at least one stillbirth". This source is cited, which says "The local authority has said three people including a girl were killed," plus 17 injured. Apparently one was added to the number of killed persons to account for the death of the unnamed pregnant woman, and the same one was subtracted from the number of injured persons. The number of 3 deadly casualties has been given by the local authority (mayor) and subsequently reported by most newspapers. However, the governor had given a different data: "The Donetsk region’s governor said 17 people were wounded in the attack, including women in labour"; no mention of killings. The most recent authoritative source is a statement by the UN Monitoring Mission: "Seventeen civilians, among them children and pregnant women, were injured. One injured woman was helped to deliver by Caesarean section soon after the attack, but neither she nor her baby survived" (25 March, here); same data reported here (only one dead - the pregnant woman). Maybe the mayor was wrong in reporting 3 casualties in the immediate aftermath of the bombing? If so, the final account of casualties would be 16 injured and one dead. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 10:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Marianna Vyshemirskaya
edit- Please correct the surname.
- She supports the Russian version, but she is under Russian control. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kremlin-uses-video-report-to-cast-doubt-on-mariupol-hospital-bombing-sczlw3d5f Xx236 (talk) 09:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Times article you linked spells it Vyshemirskaya, but e.g. the Associated Press and the BBC spell it Vishegirskaya, and I seem to get more news results when I google "Vishegirskaya" than "Vyshemirskaya". Can you elaborate on why you think one version is correct and the other wrong? Endwise (talk) 11:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.instagram.com/gixie_beauty/ - probably this person, Марианна Вышемирская.
- https://tsn.ua/ato/yiyi-foto-obletili-svit-okupanti-vzyali-v-polon-porodillyu-iz-mariupolya-i-vikoristovuyut-dlya-propagandi-2027152.html Ukrainian Маріанну Вишемирську
- https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/511173-rozhenica-podtverdila-chto-v-razrushennom-roddome-v-mariupole-nahodilis-grazhdanskie-video Her another surname is 'Подгурская' (maiden?) so perhaps the two surnames have been mixed up.Xx236 (talk) 11:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Quoted Medusa 'Podgurskaya (her married name is Vyshegirskaya)' - the lete~ter 'g' incorrectly comes from the maiden surname to the married one.Xx236 (talk) 05:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Marianna's testimony
editAfter coming out of the hospital she moved back with her husband in Donetsk and has these things to say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqlGxsdy_U — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.26.214.116 (talk) 10:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the interview a while ago according to what was said in this Associated Press article: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-misinformation-bombings-a39d9438da3c55d691742229cc87b2a0. Is there anything else to mention about it? Endwise (talk) 12:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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The ref no.2 may be best going direct to its origin (an X post)
editThe only place where Borrell described the bombing as a "heinous war crime" was in a Tweet.
The Euronews link supplied does not mention any details of it whatsoever - other than in the headline. And indeed that headline was soon dropped in a subsequent edit. Which leaves the Euronews link as mentioning nothing of what Borrell Tweeted.
Far better for ref 2 to link to the OG source and an archive of it which I have found for us below. Let me know what you think. Any objections to changing the link to the OG source?
https://x.com/JosepBorrellF/status/1501898514107973639
It's also interesting he described it as a "shelling" in the Tweet - which is no longer the official version. So it does show he was going on very limited info when he made that Tweet.
It may be best to report he "immediately Tweeted the shelling was a heinous war crime"? As that would give a far more accurate picture of what he said and when - and how he said it.
And maybe add that, "he said the hospital was not hit with an airstrike but rather "shelling", which the Associated Press described as contradicted by evidence.