Talk:Mark Feygin

additions, deletions

As a recap, User:Ellya Li has been deleting sourced text and adding unsourced text to this article. (The user states on her/his talk page that she/he knows Feygin personally and therefore doesn't need sources.) I've invited her/him to comment here several times, but without luck. (Discussion at User talk:Ellya Li). Ellya, could you give links here, either in English or in Russian, to reliable sources that support the information you want to add? Unfortunately, per our policy at reliable sources, unsourced information will continue to be removed. -- Khazar2 (talk) 22:30, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, surprised that Khazar2 is lying. Firstly, I 've seen that the article is giving false, unchecked or even confuted facts, so my first reaction was to delete them. After I made this the User:Khazar2 wrote me and accused me in vandalism. I wrote him that the information is false, so he offered to write the article with references. Conversation can be seen on the talk page. After a week, cause I needed to find some time for a big article, I decided that the best variant would be to translate the article from russian Wikipedia. Moreover somewhere in the rules I have seen that to translate is better, cause it makes Wikipedia more unitized. I haven't written that I know him personally, I wrote that I am a part of russian opposition and now who is Feygin for more than 10 years. Khazar2 is rejecting facts that were fixed in russian wikipedia and were not edited, cause they are true. As for Pussy Riot case, I explained that this is not the biggest event in Feygin's life. In my version I've added only few phrases describing facts and has given links on guardian, huff post, daily beast and the times. The article in current wording gives the one-side opinion and looks like the person who was deputy of State Duma, helped prisoners-of-war, worked as vice-mayor, was awarded for publications has done nothing except auguring with one PR ,member. As I wrote on my talk page, the fact which are written now are not proven, moreover Moscow Bar Association rejected all her claims and by the way accusing someone in stealing without any base is illegal. Samutsevich found her keys as she told in one interview. Ellya Li (talk) 22:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Just to add: everything what I wrote - was either taken from Russian Wiki (and all fact in ru version I've seen several times in media and know, because everyone knows fact about state duma for example), I do not really understand why Russian Wiki is worse than English for Khazar2, or supported by links on worldwide media. In Khazar2 wording the article looks like gossipEllya Li (talk) 22:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what else to say, Ellya. You stated that you had gotten this information from Feygin himself; if you want to dispute whether or not that means you know him, fine. But Russian Wikipedia is not itself a reliable source. The links you added did not appear to support the information you were adding to the article. This is not difficult. Just give a link to the information you want to add, and we can add it. More sources would be very welcome. -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:11, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Since you seem to be seeing this as a dispute between us personally rather than as a matter of Wikipedia policy, I've posted at WP:RS/N and WP:WikiProject Russia to ask whether the Russian Wikipedia is in itself a reliable source. Let's get some other editor opinions on this and hopefully we can start moving forward again. -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I double-checked at the reliable sources noticeboard, and another editor verified that Russian Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The best thing to do is to find news sources that cover the same information and add those here. Can you do that? -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Khazar is right: another language Wikipedia is certainly not a reliable source, the Russian article is itself poor and not adequately sourced, Ellya's translation was poor, and the original English version appears better balanced to me anyway. Thank you Ellya for your efforts, but they would be better spent on small incremental changes, in good English, supported by reliable sources. cwmacdougall 2:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

The Russian Wikipedia is not just a non-reliablesource as any other Wikipedia, but also because of the number of factors it contains a huge amount of unsourced false info, including BLP articles. No unsourced material should be ever transferred here from the Russian Wikipedia.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

All this info can be found in different articles but in russian medias. The article how it looks now is a bunch of gossips with no links. There are facts that are common knowledge, such as being a deputy or receiving a prize from Novy Mir. Or do you need evidence to support that the colour of the sea is blue? Besides the fact that the article is based only on one-sided information it is not a biography, which it should beEllya Li (talk) 10:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Removal

I have removed this [1] for a couple of reasons. First, if this needs to be covered, it belongs to another page, Anatoly Shariy and should be described similar to that on the corresponding page in ruwiki, i.e. ru:Шарий,_Анатолий_Анатольевич#Судебные_иски,_поданные_Анатолием_Шариём. This is because there were several related lawsuits by Shariy against different people who criticized him (one of them Feygin), and this needs to be described accordingly on the page Anatoly Shariy. Secondly, that was poorly described in a scandal mongering style and rather poorly sourced. My very best wishes (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Location?

It would be useful if the article indicated where he currently lives. His Facebook page says Moscow, and his YouTube channel says "location - United States". RenniePet (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Certainly not in Moscow, but we need reliable sources for this. Ymblanter (talk) 04:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Bosnian war

If you want to include this, please (a) find a couple of good secondary RS that support the statement (the cited primary source should be summarized differently), and (b) do not use multiple accounts to edit war. My very best wishes (talk) 12:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)