Talk:Mark Stone

Requested move 13 May 2020

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Not moved. There is a clear absence of consensus for the proposed move, and no realistic probability of a consensus forming in favor of the proposal. BD2412 T 23:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

• Mark Stone (ice hockey) → Mark Stone
• Mark Stone → Mark Stone (disambiguation)

– The ice hockey player Mark Stone is currently the most prominent figure to be named "Mark Stone", and tends to be the article most Wikipedia users are looking for when searching "Mark Stone". As such, the article currently tited "Mark Stone", a disambiguation page, should be retitled "Mark Stone (disambiguation)", with a link to said disambiguation page to be featured at the top of the newly-titled "Mark Stone" article. Moka Mo (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose the ice hockey player gets 1,596 views compared with 786 for the journalist, 275 for the politician and 121 for the baritone. Mark Kennedy (police officer) who's undercover name was "Mark Stone" gets 1,002[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Crouch, Swale. There are seven entries at the Mark Stone disambiguation page and the Canadian's renown does not overwhelm the combined notability of the remaining six entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 5 December 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as proposed. BD2412 T 21:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Mark Stone (ice hockey) → Mark Stone
• Mark Stone → Mark Stone (disambiguation)

– Similar to that of Jack Hughes, ice hockey Stone's become the primary topic by pageviews, with over twice as many total views as the other Mark Stone-s combined, and consistently being the most viewed Stone by a solid margin since early 2019 or so. In terms of notability, the only other Stone coming close is that of the police officer, who's both not actually named Mark Stone and primarily known for a scandal that occurred well over a decade ago. The Kip 23:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 07:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. No primary topic by long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PT1 and per The Kip's point about no other Mark Stone coming close in notability. Also, see WikiNav, where it appears that the only outgoing clicks are going to the hockey player (supporting PT1). (compare to something like John Johnson, where no primary topic emerges on WikiNav) Wracking ^talk! 20:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Necrothesp and per the "oppose" votes in the previous Talk:Mark Stone (ice hockey)#Requested move 13 May 2020, above. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

  The argument of views from the prior RM is an outdated one as evidenced in the provided links. This year, only in January, March, and September has hockey Stone had fewer than twice as many views as the others, and for much of the year it's even been three or more times as many; he's clearly been the main Mark Stone being searched for. As for renown; since the last RM, hockey Stone is now an NHL All-Star and championship-winning team captain, while the others are all comparatively low-profile. The police officer is the only one of any other elevated significance, and again, he's both not actually named Mark Stone and was primarily known well over a decade ago. The Kip 05:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

  We definitely should not be talking about the prior move request considering the requester is a known Sock Master. I would very much even consider scrapping it as evidence. Conyo14 (talk) 05:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - and note that currently, the disambiguation page is a re-direct to the other page. GoodDay (talk) 05:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - I don't think it is particularly relevant that the police officer is primarily known for something that happened more than a decade ago. As an example, Charlemagne is primarily known for things that happened several centuries ago but is still the primary topic. That said, other considerations, especially if Google search stats are consistent with the Wikipedia page view stats, may nonetheless make the proposal appropriate. Rlendog (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

  There haven't been a ton of Google searches for any over the last five years; however, similar to the pageviews, hockey Stone gets more searches on a fairly consistent basis.

  As for the time thing, it's not necessarily solely that it happened a decade ago so much as with the passage of time since the scandal, his notability-establishing event/circumstances have not generated the wide/lasting impact to establish him as a true competitor to the currently well-known hockey Stone. A very similar comparison to this situation would be how Anthony Rendon is the primary topic for his name, despite Anthony Rendon (politician) also existing. The Kip 00:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  I suggest not pointing to Anthony Rendon as a persuasive example. There was no declaration of a consensus (that I can find) that the baseball player is primary over the politician. That's also a WP:TWODABS case, which this is not. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Seems to be a clear case of hockey stone being the primary topic. -DJSasso (talk) 06:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support seems pretty clear who the primary topic is. Llammakey (talk) 18:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support it is impossible to tell if any of these individuals will have greater long-term significance than the others (WP:CRYSTALBALL) so deferring to usage, it is clear that the hockey guy is the primary topic. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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