Talk:Marq2 transit corridor

Expansion

@AvianEnRoute: I think this article could be a great candidate for appearing on the front page as part of a WP:DYK nomination. We have about 6 days to expand the article after it is created. Let me know if that is something you are interested in pursuing. -Eóin (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

References

I've added three additional references from when I listed them at Talk:Metro Transit.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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Bus stop on the Marq2 transit corridor

• ... that the Metro Orange Line and 80% of express buses in downtown Minneapolis use the Marq2 transit corridor? Source: The main point is to consolidate 80 percent of downtown’s express buses on just two streets while also speeding their flow through the 20-block core. Buses will use... ... the Marquette and 2nd avenue transit corridors in downtown Minneapolis, and they'll have signal priority at most intersections.
  • ALT1: ... that by consolidating express buses on the Marq2 transit corridor in downtown Minneapolis, previously banned bicycles were able to return to Nicollet Mall around the clock? Source: ... when beginning next week - buses are banned from the mall When double-width transit lanes are constructed, the bike lanes will be removed and bikes will be permitted to use Nicollet Mall 24-hours per day
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/623rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • Comment: I am open to suggestions on links or wording of the location (downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota) so that it works for a global audience. Sometimes including the U.S. state is necessary for Minneapolis (then do we link "Minnesota" as well as "Minneapolis", because the Minneapolis article does not include the state in the name?)

5x expanded by Eóin (talk) and AvianEnRoute (talk). Nominated by Eóin (talk) at 21:23, 6 February 2022 (UTC).

• Article has been expanded long enough (5x) according to DYK Check, Earwig turns out fine. I prefer the main hook since its easier to understand, and I added the reference on the end of the sentence where the hook is located. So its good to go. Nyanardsan (talk) 01:10, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

To T:DYK/P3

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Marq2 transit corridor/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 01:49, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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A lot of copy changes. It's been nearly five months, so fresh eyes may find more. I do have a question about one of the sources I spot checked. 7-day hold to Eóin. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:49, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Sammi Brie, thank you for your comments and suggestions. I believe I have addressed them now. You can see my comments below. -Eóin (talk) 02:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

Lead

• Hyphenate "general-purpose"
  • Y Hyphenated five times.
• The inner curb lane allows buses to stop for riders while the second bus only lane allows buses to pass each other along the corridor. Add a comma after "riders" and hyphenate "bus-only"
• Upon opening in 2009, capacity for buses in the corridor was tripled which allowed most express bus service in downtown Minneapolis to be consolidated onto the two streets. Add a comma after "tripled"
• Operating speeds increased in the corridor and some trips took 10 fewer minutes to travel out of downtown. Add a comma after "corridor". Why? See User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences (CinS)

History

• Marquette and Second Avenues Decapitalize "avenues" to be consistent with lead. There's also no need to link Minneapolis again this paragraph.
  • To be consistent, I've removed all capitalized "Avenues" when the streets are mentioned as a pair
• "prefect" should be "perfect"
• Change uses of "2nd" to "Second" to be consistent
  • I did this throughout the article. I'm a little conflicted as many refences use "2nd" but I understand the need to be consistent.
• "Interstate I-35W" should be just "Interstate 35W"
• Marquette Ave and 2nd Ave don't use road abbreviations. There are a couple of times this happens.
  • There are no more "Ave" references in the text of the article.
• North-south bicycle traffic in Minneapolis began changing in the late 1990s when proposals to ban bicycles from Nicollet Mall emerged. Add comma after 1990s
• Ultimately bike lanes were installed on Marquette and 2nd Avenues in September 1998 and bicycles were banned from Nicollet Mall on weekdays from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. Add a comma after 1998 (CinS)

Capacity

• stop light should be one word
• Some bus routes were scheduled to travel in general purpose lanes heading south on 2nd Avenue South where buses heading south on the corridor would normally use Marquette Ave Tweak to Some bus routes were scheduled to travel in general-purpose lanes heading south on Second Avenue South, where buses heading south on the corridor would normally use Marquette Avenue.
• When the transportation plan was approved by the city council in 2007 it was estimated Because of the length of the prepositional phrase, add a comma after 2007

Funding

• Spell out "four"
• The $133 million grant would also fund other transit and roadway improvements like park and ride facilities, and toll lanes along I-35W. Remove the comma as there are fewer than three items.
• Several techniques to ensure the accelerated construction timeline was successful were used including Add a comma after "used"
• the mall was changed to allow bicycle at all times of day missing plural, "bicycles"
• The loss of bike facilities in the corridor concerned groups like the Minneapolis Bicycle Coalition which later became the transportation advocacy organization Our Streets Minneapolis. Add a comma after Coalition. Commas help readers navigate these longer sentences, and you sometimes need them.
• Metro Transit as well as the six suburban transit authorities including Southwest Transit and Minnesota Valley Transit Authority Add a comma after "authorities" and another after "Authority" to make an appositive

Operations

• MOS:PERCENT: Use "percent" instead of "%" in all but technical articles.
  • Changed throughout section.
• Buses from I-94 West, I-35W North, I-35W South, and I-394 all fed into the Marq2 lanes which made them the busiest transit corridor in downtown Minneapolis. Consider linking I-94 and I-394, and add a comma after "lanes"
• The addition of the heated shelters on Marq2 in combination with A Line heated shelters was identified in 2018 as a source of potential disparate impact and disproportionate burden for low-income and minority riders in 2018. In 2018, I found a problem in 2018. Can you find it in 2018?
  • Removed the second reference to 2018
• This was because Marq2 riders are predominately not low-income or minority while others riders in the Metro Transit system that were more likely to be low-income or minorities did not receive the same level of benefits. Some copy errors here. Try... This was because Marq2 riders are predominantly not low-income or minority, while other riders in the Metro Transit system—that were more likely to be low-income or minorities—did not receive the same level of benefits.
• Southwest Transit officials wrote a letter to the city of Minneapolis requesting improved priority for buses which they felt were not being given priority by traffic control agents. Another sentence where a comma, after "buses", helps reading flow a lot.
• "They city" fix
• The Metro Orange Line was designed around using the corridor and during planning stages Add comma after "corridor" (CinS)
• where a buses could either travel eastbound using a general purpose lanes to the 12th Street Ramp on the E-ZPass lanes or travel west bound from the 12 Street Ramp to a bus only contraflow lane that connects to Marq2 A lot of things here. Try this. where buses could either travel eastbound using general-purpose lanes to the 12th Street Ramp on the E-ZPass lanes or travel westbound from the ramp to a bus-only contraflow lane connecting to Marq2

Design

• On Marquette Avenue buses travel southbound while on Second Avenue buses travel northbound, with general traffic operating the other direction in the other lanes. Commas really help here, but really this is a poor-flow sentence. Buses travel southbound on Marquette Avenue and northbound on Second Avenue, with general traffic operating the opposite direction in the other lanes.
• 80 feet wide use a {{convert}} here
• The trees were held structural cells I assume the missing preposition is "in"?
  • Yes, that important word was missing.
• The system also helps increase the lifespan of street trees which Comma after "trees"

Stops and stations

• Gates on Marquette Avenue are lettered A, B, C, and D and gates on Second Avenue are lettered E, F, G, and H. Add a comma after "D" (CinS)
• Custom transit shelters were installed at opening and sidewalks on the bus stop side of the street are 3 feet wider than on the other side. Add a comma after "opening" (CinS); spell out "three" (and add a convert template)

Editor comments

I've made most of the changes above and tried to be consistent with the use of spelling out "avenue" and using "Second" instead of "2nd". Thank you for the suggested edits on several of the clumsy sentences. -Eóin (talk) 01:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing and spot checks

• I notice much of the first History paragraph has several sentences in a row without citations. Are these all cited to Diers and Isaacs?
  • Yes, I reread the two pages to make sure the information is supported. I duplicated the citation and tried to add them after dates/names/numbers so that it is a little more clear that the citation supports the almost the entire paragraph. -Eóin (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Earwig copyvio checker turns up no issues.

Five references were chosen for random spot checks: 4, 10, 12, 34, 36.

• 4: Offline source. Another source was selected instead...
  • 27: Can you point me to where this is in the large PDF?
    • I found a different url that only includes the reference report (~80 pages) instead of several reports (~450 pages). I've also referenced the 3 pages of the report that support the statement. -Eóin (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• 10: Mention of Portland. Assuming RS as a subject matter expert (former facilities manager for Metro Transit). Y
• 12: Star Tribune article mentions that a federal grant would accelerate work. Y
• 34: Transit study with concepts for connecting I-35W to Marq2. Y
• 36: Metro Transit page on 12th Street Ramp describes its purpose. This is good ABOUTSELF. Y

Other items

• There are three images, all with libre licenses and alt text. Y

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