Talk:Martin Fehérváry

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 14:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

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Fehérváry with the Washington Capitals in 2022

• ... that Martin Fehérváry (pictured) became the youngest foreign player to play in the Swedish Hockey League following his debut at the age of 16? Source: Don’t Settle – The Story Of Martin Fehervary
  • ALT1: ... that in 2019, Martin Fehérváry (pictured) became the 10th Washington Capitals defenseman to play as a teenager? Source: SKATE SHAVINGS - News and Notes from Caps' Morning Skate 10/2
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2007 Boston Mooninite panic

5x expanded by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC).

• Article was 5x expanded on-time and no close paraphrasing was found. QPQ done. I prefer the first hook since it has broader appeal and doesn't only appeal to ice hockey or Washington Capitals fans. The hook is cited inline and I was able to verify the information in the source. However, I'm not sure if Novacapsfans is a reliable source or not; please confirm if it is. The nomination will be good to go once this has been clarified. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, I am also unsure. I saw that they were given full media credentials by the Capitals [1] and that's kind of what made me more comfortable using them. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I see. I'm willing to accept the source then, I was just wondering if there's also a Swedish source out there that can confirm it. Does his Swedish article say the same? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:22, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, the Slovakian article says He made his highest Swedish hockey debut in 2015-16 and at the age of sixteen became the youngest legionnaire in the league's history, but spent most of his time in southern Sweden competing in junior competitions. This is the source [2]. Google translate confirms this is what the source says so I will add it to the English Wikipedia article. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks. I'm approving ALT0 per the Slovak source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Martin Fehérváry/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 18:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Images are appropriately licensed.

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • Russian Machine Never Breaks appears to be a blog.
    • Replaced
  • washingtonhockeynow.com
    • Replaced

      Looks like it's still in the article? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

  • novacapsfans.com -- appears to be a fan site
    • Novacaps has permission from the Capitals to be part of their press box. I took this as meaning they were a bit more reliable than other "fan" sites. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

      That helps, certainly. I also see on the page you link to that someone posted asking how to get their contribution included, which makes me wonder if there is editorial control. Does the site get treated by e.g. Washington professional journalists as reliable? Does it get cited in newspaper sports coverage or professional sports websites? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

      •  Checking... HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

        Mike Christie Does this count? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 15:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

        Yes, that's the sort of thing I was looking for. I'll strike it. I think this would come up again if you were to take this to FAC. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

  • dobrenonviny.sk -- per this page "anyone can contribute"; I can't see evidence of editorial control.
    • Replaced

      Looks like it's still in the article? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

      Mike Christie Where? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

      Footnote 7. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

      Done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 14:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

• FN12 is in Slovak; you have it tagged as being in Swedish.

  • Done.

• There are no sources given for the "Career statistics" section.
  • At the very bottom of the article, it states: Biographical information and career statistics from NHL.com, or Eliteprospects.com, or Eurohockey.com, or The Internet Hockey Database

    Can I suggest you do it like this? That way the reader can see what the source is while reading that section. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

    • Done.

• "Following his trade to the HV71": why "the"? Shouldn't it just be "Following his trade to HV71"? It's appropriate for American-style team names, but not usually for European teams -- or am I wrong about that?  Done
• "After playing for the SHKM Hodonín club, Fehérváry returned to Slovakia": we haven't said he ever left Slovakia. I looked up SHKM Hodonín and I see they're in the Czech Republic, but most readers won't know that.  Done
• "Fehérváry played on the Bears' top pair with Christian Djoos and spends time on the teams' penalty kill and power play": tense needs to be consistent; and if you mean he spent time working on learning the team's tactics for those plays I would say so; this is too compressed for a non-fan.  Done

  The tense is fixed but not the other point. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

  I changed it to where he played against the other teams best defencemen.

  What I meant to suggest was something like "spent time playing on the teams' penalty kill and power play" isn't very clear to a non-fan. Does this mean he is usually on the ice in those situations? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

• Round names shouldn't be title case -- e.g. "First Round". And what does "Round Robin Qualifies" mean? Is it just a typo for "round robin qualifiers"?  Done
• What does "taxi squad" mean?  Done
• "Fehérváry joined John Carlson on the top pair": what does "top pair" mean? You have "top defensive pair" later in the article. If this is a standard hockey term, I suggest adding it to Glossary of ice hockey terms and linking.
  • I changed it to first. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
• "In 2018, Fehérváry played top four minutes": what does "top four" mean?
  • I changed it to first. Top four means he was one of their premiere defencemen.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
    • Struck the two above. Now I've reviewed several ice hockey articles I think this is such a standard term I probably shouldn't have complained about it, but it's fine either way. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll read through again once you've responded to these. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4, are you planning to work on this? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Mike Christie, I apologize for my lack of activity. I am having a family event this week that has occupied much of my time. Please allow me some more time to make these changes. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 20:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

No problem; just wanted to make sure you're planning to work on it. I'll check in again in a week. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4, just checking in again to see when you might be able to address these points. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:34, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Most points above are struck now so I'll read through again and do a spotcheck. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Spotchecks:

• FN 14 cites "As a result of his focus on hockey, Fehérváry missed nearly a year of school while studying at the School of Business and Services in Trnava." Looking at the machine translation, I think this source doesn't say this -- the year he missed seems to have been before the School of Business.
  • Looking at it again, it says He missed the whole year one which I think means his first year.

    I tried it with another translator and it convinced me that you’re right, but that it should say a whole year, not part of one, so I’ve removed “nearly” from the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• FN 27 cites "Following another recall in February, Fehérváry replaced Nick Jensen on defense for the Capitals and tallied up his first NHL point, an assist, in a 7–2 loss to the Philadelphia Flyers." Verified.
• FN 16 cites "After his selection by the Capitals, Fehérváry was promptly signed to a three-year, entry-level contract with Washington on 1 July 2018." Verified.
• FN 50 cites "After making his senior debut in 2018, Fehérváry returned to the world juniors stage for the 2019 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships as team captain. He played on the first defensive pair for the entire tournament, which included spending time on the first power play unit. Fehérváry finished the tournament with one goal and four assists through five games played." I don't see support for "first defensive pair" or the tournament goal/assist numbers; am I missing something?
  • The source says Fehervary, the captain of Team Slovakia, notched five points (1g, 4a) in five games, which led Team Slovakia defensemen and it mentions he competed on the powerplay, which is something only top defencemen do. I will re-word it.

    OK, I missed the goal/assist numbers, so that’s fine. I can imagine that the deduction you’re making is obvious to aficionados but I think it would be better to rephrase this to stick with what the source directly supports. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:36, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

    •  Done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

• FN 44 cites "His play was recognized by hockey pundits as he was named to the NHL All-Rookie All-Star Team in January 2022." Verified.
• FN 32 cites "Fehérváry was limited to just two playoff games as he was injured in Game 3 and deemed unfit for the remainder of the first round. The Capitals were eventually eliminated by the Islanders in Game 5 with a 4–0 loss." Verified.
• FN 12 cites "During this time, he was also drafted by the HC Slovan Bratislava in the 2016 KHL Junior Draft but he chose to remain in the SHL." The machine translation for this is not easy to read. I can see it's about that draft, but can you point to where it says he chose to remain in the SHL?
  • Would using Elite Prospects be OK to show that he remained in the SHL?

    Yes. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

    •  Done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

• FN 38 cites " He joined the Capitals for their preseason but suffered an injury in the 4–1 loss to the New Jersey Devils." Verified.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

All that’s left now is the point up top about explaining “spent time on the team’s penalty kill and power play” a little better for non-fans, and the two points in the spotchecks under FN 12 and 50. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Mike Christie, Will do! I also want to thank you for your endless patience. I am not usually this slow with GA reviews, I have been dealing with issues IRL which has put Wikipedia on the backburner. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

No problem! Real life has to take precedence. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:22, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I see the two spotcheck issues have been addressed. Just "where he played against the other teams' best defencemen, and spent time playing on the teams' penalty kill and power play" left; it's not clear to a non-fan what this means. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:56, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4, since it was just that one phrase, I've cut it from the article and I'm going to pass this; I trust you to reinsert it with some appropriate clarification whenever you get time. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)