Talk:Martinique New York on Broadway, Curio Collection by Hilton/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 03:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Some copy changes, fresh eyes, and check ref [127] for a possible year-off issue. Not much to do here in spite of the size of the article. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for taking up this review @Sammi Brie. I think I've fixed everything now. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

Give it a once-over. It has, after all, languished eight months and you haven't edited it in three. You might find things I would not.

Lead

• Martin sold the hotel in 1919 to T. Coleman du Pont of the Greeley Square Company in 1919. He sold it in 1919, did he, in 1919?
  • Oops, I have fixed this. This is why it's good to get a second pair of eyes (or even more) on the article. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Site

• The 12-story 165-room Hotel Alcazar, at one time adjoined the Hotel Martinique on the north side of 34th Street, east of Broadway. Move the comma from after Alcazar to after story
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Architecture

• 2nd-story or second-story etc.? Probably the latter? Unless this is to be consistent with the double-digit floors?
  • Yep, it was for consistency but it should be the latter. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
• Should "guestroom" be two words?
  • Yes. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

History

• The Real Estate Record and Guide wrote in April 1899 that "the Martinique has a waiting list of 65 names, and that at least one suite of two rooms and bath, rented at $500, has been sublet at $1,200." Logical quote here unless the original went, "The Martinique..." all caps.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
• mid--1956 double dash. also, 650 rooms by this time? This is the first time this figure is raised; maybe explain?
  • I fixed the double dash. The sources I've found never explain when the hotel was expanded to 650 rooms, but I think this was done gradually by dividing up several larger guest units. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
• At the time, rooms were being marketed at $215 to $295 per month This is per night—the USA Today ref [24] concurs with me.
  • Oops, I meant "night" but wrote "month" instead. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Golf

• The Radisson Martinique is regularly the venue for announcing the American Ryder Cup team; as in 2008, when Paul Azinger announced the names of four team members Maybe a different tense? Obviously this is not a current thing.
  • Fixed. Also, I changed the semicolon to a comma. Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Spot checks

• 4: Offline source. Replacing with
  • 5: NYT 1988: Together they all live in two rooms in New York City's Martinique Hotel, where the toilet doesn't work ... That is the beginning of Rachel and Her Children, Mr. Kozol's account of homeless families in America. Y
• 6: New York City zoning application. Shows as 1260 Broadway with the square footage of 19,975 sq. ft, frontage of 93.17 feet and depth of 122.83 feet. Y
• 9: 1922 New York Hotel Review article on the Alcazar "adjoining the Hotel Martinique". Y
• 18: 2022 Lodging Magazine article: On the register of Historic Hotels of America, the Martinique New York... Y
• 40: NYT article including headline, "In Last Ten Years Movement Has Been to Fifth Avenue North of 34th Street". Y
• 54: Can't access the New-York Tribune. Replacing with
  • 55: Brooklyn Life article, "under the management of William Taylor and Son". Should be "and Son", not "and Sons". Y
    • Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
• 63: 1913 revocation of city night liquor license. Blanket revocation, apparently. Y
• 74: Can't access. Replacing with, since I did it earlier...
  • 24: This USA Today article is used nine times and checks out.
    • Large lobby: mentioned as two-story in article. Presumably "concourse" is in [19].
    • The dining room was paneled with Circassian walnut and decorated with gold silk tapestries.
    • The hotel was named for its owner, clothing tycoon William R.H. Martin
    • But in the 1960s, the hotel grew shabbier, and tourists stopped coming. Meanwhile, landlords around New York City were abandoning old apartment houses that high taxes and rent control had rendered unprofitable.
    • By 1986, however, Koch was mayor, and the Martinique was filled with 436 families, most headed by one parent, who were staying an average of 16 months, up from two in 1981. The emergency had become a routine.
    • The Martinique, the turn-of-the-century marvel, by then had no room telephones, nor reliable heat, hot water or elevator service. After delivery boys were mugged in the halls, the pizza shops stopped delivering. The hotel's facade was darkened by soot and marred by laundry draped across its window guards.
    • the building sat empty until a revival in the city's fortunes allowed Thurman to embark on a two-year project to gut and virtually rebuild the hotel's interior and wash the grime off its exterior.
    • opened last month for an article in October 1998.
    • In a vivid manifestation of New York City's about-face, the hotel that epitomized some of the failures of the nation's welfare system opened last month as a moderately priced ($215-to-$295 a night) refuge for travelers. See above.
• 75: Can't access. Replacing with...
  • 121: Days Inn. Owners of the notorious Martinique Hotel, a ravaged symbol of the nation's homeless crisis, are close to a deal with a local real estate developer and Days Inns of America, a unit of Atlanta-based Days Corp., which would operate it as a moderately priced hotel, real estate sources say. Y
• 77: Foreclosure, "mortgage was due two years ago". Y
• 84: director of European operations for the American Jewish Committee, told the group's New York chapter at a meeting yesterday in the Martinique Hotel Y
• 90: Original NYSC ruling holding the rent rise illegal. Y
• 95: Article on hotel renovations for the forthcoming Coliseum: 300 of 650 rooms expected to be ready before summer. Y
• 127: Though a press release, valid SELFPUB. Doesn't say they took it over in 2005, more like 2006. Can you check this?
  • That was either a mistype or brain fart. I did indeed mean 2006. Epicgenius (talk) 14:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Images

The article has four images: a GFDL-CC image of the facade, two PD-old elevation images, and a PD-old construction image from The New York Architect. Encouragement: Add alt text.

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