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Merge proposal
editI propose merging this article to Mary Gannon. I did so earlier (as I thought it was uncontroversial), but it was reverted. However, I do strongly oppose keeping the article under this title. None of the sources use the name Mary Stevenson as the primary name, and the subject was not known publicly and never performed under the name Mary Stevenson. There is no evidence in scholarship supporting the title as Mary Stevenson, and doing so, violates policy at WP:No original research.4meter4 (talk) 17:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I think Mary Gannon should be merged into this article, as a courtesy to the creator of the original article (me). After that's done, I would support renaming this article "Mary Gannon". 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia I am not sure that would be technically possible. For attribution purposes we need the article histories of both articles to remain in the record; as both articles have valuable material that is unique to each one. Typically we do this by having the article with the unused title redirect to article with the title being used. However, with your proposal where does the current history of the article currently at Mary Gannon go? We can't simply delete it under our copyright policy rules. Merging that article here and then moving this article to the tile of Mary Gannon, would overwrite the article history which then breaks the record of editing attribution required by merge and copyright policy. Further, while I sympathize with your desire to have your work as the creator of an article acknowledged, WP:OWN would seem to apply here.4meter4 (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @4meter4 We could always rename Mary Gannon Mary Stevenson Gannon, then merge and redirect here, then delete Mary Gannon, then rename this article Mary Gannon. It just seems like basic courtesy to me that the first article should be preserved. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- I am fine with that. I will do so now.4meter4 (talk) 18:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia I moved the article as you suggested. Could you please change your vote to support. We will need an admin to move Mary Stevenson (actress) to Mary Gannon and then we can merge and redirect Mary Stevenson Gannon to this article housed at Mary Gannon.4meter4 (talk)
- Support this proposal, @4meter4 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @4meter4 @Ficaia if this happens again, a page mover at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests can do a Wikipedia:Round-robin page move, so you don't need to move one of the pages to a temporary name. TSventon (talk) 10:35, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia I moved the article as you suggested. Could you please change your vote to support. We will need an admin to move Mary Stevenson (actress) to Mary Gannon and then we can merge and redirect Mary Stevenson Gannon to this article housed at Mary Gannon.4meter4 (talk)
- I am fine with that. I will do so now.4meter4 (talk) 18:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @4meter4 We could always rename Mary Gannon Mary Stevenson Gannon, then merge and redirect here, then delete Mary Gannon, then rename this article Mary Gannon. It just seems like basic courtesy to me that the first article should be preserved. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia I am not sure that would be technically possible. For attribution purposes we need the article histories of both articles to remain in the record; as both articles have valuable material that is unique to each one. Typically we do this by having the article with the unused title redirect to article with the title being used. However, with your proposal where does the current history of the article currently at Mary Gannon go? We can't simply delete it under our copyright policy rules. Merging that article here and then moving this article to the tile of Mary Gannon, would overwrite the article history which then breaks the record of editing attribution required by merge and copyright policy. Further, while I sympathize with your desire to have your work as the creator of an article acknowledged, WP:OWN would seem to apply here.4meter4 (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Merge of course. It sounds as though Mary Gannon should be the final title with others as redirects. We should not call it Mary Stevenson Gannon without multiple RS using this form. Johnbod (talk) 18:44, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Moved Mary Stevenson (actress) to Mary Gannon, per this discussion and requested move. I would now recommend completing to merge Mary Stevenson Gannon into this page. -- Wikipedical (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Merging process
edit- Ficaia I added my attempt at a merged version of the articles, but I am sure you may have things you want to change. There were a few specific details from your version that I cut because sources conflict over when and where she made her debut and at what age. Feel free to restore any material, but please do so by pointing out discrepancies between sources and placing detailed assertions in context (i.e. not as definitive fact as was done earlier, but with caution/ doubt of certainty as other scholarly material has done). Also, any sections you want to restore or add for organizational purposes are fine. Thanks for working on this.4meter4 (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2022 (UTC)