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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: No consensus. While "no consensus" on primary topic matters still suggests that a dab page might be the best solution, this is not obvious here either, and User:力 summarized it nicely: "the natural disambiguation is sufficient here". No such user (talk) 12:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Disambiguation pages are often poorly written. Anybody can add an entry. They should not be driving the process of selecting a primary topic. "A disambiguation page is not a search index. A link to an article title that merely contains part of the disambiguation page title, or a link that includes the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion between them, is considered a partial title match, and should not be included," according to WP:PARTIAL. 99to99 (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Middle names or middle initials are not partial matches and the portrait painter Mary Rogers Gregory is considered to be named "Mary Gregory" for purposes of disambiguation.
As for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it is clearly stated that it needs to be "much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term". Dab pages that use "(disambiguation)" in their main title headers, as a result of featuring entries that had been grandfathered as primary topics despite lack of sufficient notability, are being continually nominated for move to "no primary".
Where do you get the idea that an article can have one name in its title and another name "for purposes of disambiguation"? The articles are named as they are and have to be disambiguated based on those names. Since you didn't do your own page view analysis, your opinion in this matter is apparently not based on traffic patterns or anything topic specific. These arguments can be made about any topic. They effectively negate the primary topic guideline. Many other reference sites don't use disambiguators at all. I would say that it's a software glitch that we have these ugly parentheticals. 99to99 (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Support Thanks for the n-gram above, but to my mind it doesn't show this one is clearly the primary topic - some days she is, some she isn't. They are all pretty obscure, with very few views, and disam will be helpful. Johnbod (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Look closer. Daily average is 19 for this one. 2 or 0 for the others. If that doesn’t establish clear primary topic, not sure what does. —-В²C☎14:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Don’t know what distortions you’re talking about. I don’t see any. As to the averages, look in the Daily Averages column of the table under the graph. —В²C☎13:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oppose The page views are so low that it could just be a result of the un-disambiguated name naturally getting higher placement in search results. However, of the other entries, one doesn't even have an article, and two have very different names as the common name. This leaves Mary Rogers Gregory. I think the natural disambiguation is sufficient here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.