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Reviewer: NiciVampireHeart 12:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Quck fail criteria
  1. Has reliable sources  
  2. Is written neutrally  
  3. No valid cleanup tags  
  4. Is relatively stable with no edit wars  
  5. Not specifically concerned with a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint  
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GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  

Prose

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  • 2 dabs which need to be disambiguated.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • WP:DATED: words such as 'currently' should not be used.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • No link for 'Langon-Castets'?
Doesn't have a wiki-page. I'll probably make one when I get the oppurtunity. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • No link for 'fifth division'?
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "The midfielder had a remarkable 2005–06 season" - remarkable in what way? Very vague.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "was beneficial to the team that won the league and league cup double, as well as the Trophée des champions." - was "beneficial"? Again, very vague.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "At the age of nine, his football career was put on hold after receiving over 50 stitches in one of his legs after being involved in a swimming accident." --> "At the age of nine, his football career was put on hold after he received over 50 stitches in one of his legs following a swimming accident."
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "he was awarded a Best Player award" - repetitive to say he was awarded an award.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "playing on the club's under-18 team playing". Close repetition of playing.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Valbuena spent two years playing on the club's under-18 team playing alongside the likes of Rio Mavuba and Marouane Chamakh before being rejected after failing to impress Jean-Louis Garcia, the manager of the club's reserve team in the Championnat de France amateur. Valbuena appeared in only three matches with the reserve team before being hastily dropped by the club." --> "Valbuena spent two years playing on the club's under-18 team playing alongside the likes of Rio Mavuba and Marouane Chamakh. Valbuena appeared in only three match with the reserve team before being released from the club after failing to impress Jean-Louis Garcia, the reserve team manager."
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Valbuena reverted his ambitions". What does "reverted his ambitions" mean?
Done. While he was at Bordeaux, he was on the path of playing professional football. After being let go by the club, he was told his best opportunity to play at his age was at amateur clubs. That is what I meant. I changed "reverted" to a more simpler "held back". — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "he impressed with his technical ability was subsequently recruited" - missing the word "and" between 'ability' and 'was'.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Valbuena performed a juke" - I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • ""in-transferable" - do you mean un-transferable?
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Valbuena subsequently went unnoticed by Domenech for the next two years. On 11 May 2010, Valbuena was named to the 30-man preliminary list by Domenech" --> "Valbeuna's next call-up was over two years later in May 2010, when he was named to the 30-man preliminary list by Domenech to play in the 2010 FIFA World Cup."
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Many journalists in the French media associated Valbuena's call-up to the team to Franck Ribéry's call-up four years ago ahead of the 2006 FIFA World Cup." - relevance?
I guess I inserted this because football readers (I know all of the readers won't be football enthusiasts) will instinctively know that the two share a lot in common. Both callups were very similar. Both were former amateur football players and they both were surprisingly called up by Raymond Domenech for the first time just ahead of the FIFA World Cup to instill some life into the attack; Ribéry in 2006, Valbuena in 2010. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "imposed suspension" - what suspension? Why was he suspended?
This. Added more detail about it in his article. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "until the Brazil" - doesn't make sense.
Removed. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "has been earmarked by the French media to become one of the team's main contributors ahead of UEFA Euro 2012." unnecessary imo.
Removed. — –J10S Talk 17:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

MOS

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  • I'd like to see the 'early life' separated from the 'early career'. Currently, they're together as 'Early life and career', and are contained within the 'Club career' section. His early life is not part of his 'Club career'.
Done. — –J10S Talk 17:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Regarding the lead, generally it's very good, but the first paragraph is a problem. The info re: his nickname "Le Petit vélo" is only in the lead. It should be mentioned elsewhere as well. Ditto the info re: his style of play. I'd recommend adding a 'style of play' section, since it appears there would be a good amount of info to add to it.
Will take care of after revising the rest of the article. — –J10S Talk 17:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Broad

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  • There's info on his early life, but no personal life. I'm not overly concerned about it, but some info would be nice if possible and backed up by reliable sources.
Done. — –J10S Talk 20:11, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

References

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Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Any reference in a language other than English needs to have that noted. e.g. 4-5, 7, 9-21, 25-26, 28-33, 54.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Reference 27 (the youtube link) needs to be removed per WP:LINKVIO
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • References in the text should be in numerical order, i.e. 6 before 8.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Source for "In 2001, Valbuena was recruited by the biggest club in the Gironde department, FC Girondins de Bordeaux."?
Removed debatable statement. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Source for "The loss was the team's first of the season and Valbuena was suspended for three matches."?
  • "Libourne went unbeaten in its final four matches, which resulted in the club finishing in third place, thus achieving promotion to Ligue 2 for the first time in its history. For his efforts that season, Valbuena was named the league's Player of the Year, which led to heightened interest from several professional clubs in Ligue 2 and Ligue 1." Sources?
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "On 9 June 2006, Valbuena signed his first professional contract after agreeing to a transfer to Olympique de Marseille. He signed a three-year deal with the club and was assigned the number 28 shirt by manager Eric Gerets. Valbuena made his professional debut for the club on 15 July 2006 in the team's third round match against Ukrainian club Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk in the 2006 UEFA Intertoto Cup. He subsequently struggled to meet the demands of training and suffered an ankle injury in pre-season, which resulted in the player missing the start of the 2006–07 season." Sources?
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "He appeared as a substitute for the majority of the season and even spent some time playing on the club's reserve team in the fifth division" - source?
Done. — –J10S Talk 20:30, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Following the departure of Franck Ribéry to German club Bayern Munich ahead of the 2007–08 season, Valbuena was inserted as his replacement. He started the season off healthy under Gerets and featured primarily as a substitute, but by late August 2007, had became a starter forming partnerships in the midfield with Samir Nasri, Lorik Cana, and Benoît Cheyrou." - source?
Done. — –J10S Talk 20:30, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Source for "The victory over Liverpool was the first time a French club had ever won at Anfield."?
Done. — –J10S Talk 20:30, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "The first goal Valbuena scored in the match was voted the Goal of the Year by the Ligue de Football Professionnel" is unsourced.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Source for 2 "Club president Pape Diouf and several members of the board disagreed with Deschamps sentiments stating that Valbuena was "in-transferable"."?
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Source for "He was, initially, ruled out for up to six weeks, but returned to training ahead of the team's league match against Saint-Étienne on 19 February."?
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Source for "However, he picked up an injury and was forced to miss out."?
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Valbuena's call up was considered surprising despite the player playing well with his parent club who won the league and league cup double in the 2009–10 season." - source?
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "At the World Cup, Valbuena made his debut in the competition in the team's 2–0 loss to Mexico appearing as a substitute on 17 June. It was his only appearance in the competition." is unsourced.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "After missing the team's friendly against Norway due to new manager Laurent Blanc's imposed suspension, Valbuena made his return to the team in a 1–0 defeat to Belarus in UEFA Euro 2012 qualification. The midfielder subsequently appeared in every match under Blanc until the Brazil" - unsourced.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Reference 14 doesn't verify why he received a red card, just that he received one.
I couldn't find a direct reference of the incident as it is so far back in 2006 and the teams were playing in an amateur league, so not a lot of publicity. My description of why he received the red cards was based on a club forum that was discussing the match while watching it. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Reference 21 doesn't verify any of "The game-winning goal allowed the club to maintain control of second place, which merited Marseille a spot in the UEFA Champions League for the first time since the 2003–04 season."
Done. — –J10S Talk 20:30, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Reference 22 doesn't make any reference to Valbuena at all.
It is a match report of the match. Clicking on Events located on the right side of the page will reveal his substitute appearance. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Reference 42 is a match report of Marseille vs. Boulogne, not Marseille vs.Saint-Etienne.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

POV

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  • "Valbuena's play went through a major upgrade".
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "Valbuena went scoreless through the winter months, but his presence in the team allowed the club to remain in contention for promotion to Ligue 2." It was entirely down to his presence that team was eligible for promotion? Also this sentence requires a source.
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "hammering of Caen".
Done. — –J10S Talk 19:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Overall

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  • I am placing this article on hold for seven days to allow you to fix the problems listed. If the work is completed before then, I will pass the article before the seven days are up. If no attempts are made to correct the problems, I will fail the article in seven days. If you are not finished within the seven days, I have no problem in extending the hold period to allow you to finish, as long as I see work is being carried out on the article.
  • To make it easier for me to see how much work has been done, please either strike each comment when the problem has been fixed or post a note underneath each item saying it is completed.
  • Feel free request to clarification on anything; you can leave comments on my talk page or here, as I have this page watchlisted.
NiciVampireHeart 16:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Second read-through

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  • First off, apologies for the delay in responding. I've very busy IRL at the moment.
Thoughts
  • It's looking much better now. Still a few more issues that need to be taken care of:
    • Still a dead link (number 68) which needs to be replaced.
    • Still awaiting a 'Style of play' section or something similar. The info re: his playing his style is still only mentioned in the lead, and nowhere else throughout the article.
    • Source for "In 2001, Valbuena was recruited by professional club FC Girondins de Bordeaux."?
    • Still awaiting a source for "The loss was the team's first of the season and Valbuena was suspended for three matches."
      • I added the source showing it was the club's first loss of the 2005–06 season, however, I cannot find a source that states he was suspended for three matches. I only can find "forumspeak" from commentators who were covering the match. His statistics during that season seem to support the three-match ban as there is a three-match gap in matches played following the red card against GFCO Ajaccio. — –J10S Talk 18:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
    • I'm still unhappy with the sentence "Many journalists in the French media associated Valbuena's call-up to the team to Franck Ribéry's call-up four years ago ahead of the 2006 FIFA World Cup." a) it's unsourced, and b) there's no real context for anyone who's not a football fan. Perhaps changing the sentence to "Many journalists in the French media compared Valbuena's call-up to the team with Franck Ribéry's call-up four years previously, as the two players share similarities in playing style and their circumstances at the time of their respective call-ups." would help. A source is definetly needed through.
    • I've done a quick copyedit of the article to clear up any remaining grammar/wording issues I had, rather than listing them all out.
NiciVampireHeart 15:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

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