Talk:Matsutake

Names in North America

I was always under the impression that the matsutake mushroom was called a ponderosa or pine mushroom in north america. This mushroom should regrow in the same spot as it sprouts from the mycillium which continues to spread under the ground. I believe this is the same mushroom although some mushroom books suggest they are different. I have picked pines and they appear to be the same mushroom, taste, colour, smell and rarity. This is a big industry in washington state, british columbia canada etc.

They are very similar. I think they are considered separate species though. See the wiki article on "pine mushroom" for some info.24.83.178.11 06:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)BeeCier

My understanding is that this is a "squishers versus splitters" question. Some consider them the same species, others consider them separate (but closely related). The Northwest's "pine mushrooms" are certainly sold as matsutake in Asian markets on both sides of the Pacific. Revdrace (talk) 20:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Mycorrhizal?

Are matsutake mycorrhizal?24.83.178.11 06:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)BeeCier

yes Alan Rockefeller (Talk - contribs) 16:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

See the article in The New Yorker issue of Aug. 20, 2007.

What Currency is the price in?=

Is it the US dollar/Singapore dollar/Australian dollar/Fijian dollar for the prices quoted?

````User:yeokaiwei```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeokaiwei (talk • contribs) 07:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Checked the reference but it isn't working. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 23:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Mattake?

Who calls the matsutake "mattake"? Are you sure you're not confusing it with the maitake (Grifola frondosa)? I can't find any reference to this spelling on the web. I realize that this may be what it's called "on the street" and thus will not be in the references, but if someone can confirm that this is an abbreviation of matsutake that is atcually used and not just a mis-hearing of maitake (another mushroom entirely), that would be good. Revdrace (talk) 20:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Mattake is not Maitake. Mattake is a dialect in the Kyoto area in Japan. There are a lot of dishes that make the mattake a material in the Kyoto area. These are parts of "KyoRyori(京料理)". --Rnatchan07 (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste move

The article (Matsutake) and the redirect Tricholoma matsutake have had their contents exchanged, with the edit summary "Swapped content with Matsutake to follow wikipedia usage of having mushroom content under scientific name" (and likewise for the reverse move). There are three points here:

1. Making this kind of move by cut and paste is not good, because it confuses the edit histories. If this is to be done the correct way is by first having the redirect deleted and then moving the article.
2. If moves of this kind are done then the talk pages should be moved too.
3. Is it desirable anyway? Wikipedia policy is that "Articles are normally titled using the most common English-language name of the person or thing that is the subject of the article". Certainly there are circumstances where there are good reasons for making exceptions, including many mushrooms, but in a case where a mushroom has widespread culinary use and an established common name it is not clear that an exception is justified.

If you disagree with the third point above and decide to exchange the two pages I shall not quarrel with you, but please observe the first two points in doing so. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with User:JamesBWatson. User:Cresus22 moved this article saying "to follow wikipedia usage of having mushroom content under scientific name" without any such ground. According to the Google book search, 659hits for matsutake -"Tricholoma matsutake", while 138hits for "Tricholoma matsutake". This is the case "Wikipedia uses as article titles instead of a more elaborate, formal or scientifically precise alternative" in WP:COMMONNAME applies. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 05:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Umm, then one can equally argue that it should be called "pine mushroom" (621 Google book hits; I thought I read somewhere that google seaches weren't valid rationales for name changes in cases like this?). Using the scientific name, with various common names as redirects is the logical, unambiguous choice. Sasata (talk) 05:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

"Swedish" and "Japanese" matsutake references

Hello all- I cleaned up some sloppy IP editing done earlier today on the wording and references in the Similar species section. I think I retained the intent of the anonymous editor. I would also suggest this article as an additional reference source on the Swedish-Japanese topic. Eric ^talk 20:02, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I am of Scandinavian descent and cannot eat these.

According to the "Scandinavian Journal of Forest research", The original Scandinavian scientific name for these was Tricholoma nauseosum. I believe there is a reason for this name. My English/Scottish husband ate them with no problem, but I was really really sick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:501:22FC:D5F:893B:5F4F:C9D7 (talk) 04:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Removing Japanese Bias?

I would believe that matasuke is a Japanese name for this mushroom albeit an international one, but I suggest removing the Japanese Bias by adding a slash with the Matasuke/Songrong. In this way, overseas can search for it, thereby providing a ease of search for them Mxzbz (talk) 13:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Might japanese write this.

Oldest record that korean eat matsutake said about it was 8th century. 222.104.207.126 (talk) 14:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Allotropa virgata!

This article says: "The candy cane plant or sugarstick, Allotropa virgata, parasitizes these mushrooms by deriving nourishment from the fungal mycelia via its root system.". But Allotropa virgata doesn't even occur in the same continent as Tricholoma matsutake. Allotropa virgata parasitizes Tricholoma murrillianum, a totally different species. 2601:602:9201:9310:1E1C:6ED0:A8C:9388 (talk) 04:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)