Talk:Matt Lloyd (Paralympian)

January 2010

Article status

A number of sources have been suggested for this article, but there are currently no references about Lloyd from third-party verifiable reliable sources. WP:BIO says that without them, there shouldn't even be an article. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 00:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not connected with the BSHA or sledge hockey. Nor I have any direct relationship with Matt Lloyd. He is someone I interviewed as part of my degree.

The sources provided are more reliable and detailed than for most (if not all) Ice Sledge Hockey players on Wikipedia.

Surely playing for a national team in a Paralympics game is enough to make someone noteable enough to be included in Wikipedia. I am in the process of collecting information on all British Winter Paralympic Games participants and had intended to write a page on each

Suggested additional sources are;

• BBC Website - Vaughn ruled out of the Paralympics

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/disability_sport/4764924.stm

• BBC Website - Winter Wonderland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/disability_sport/4847360.stm

I would suggest that the BBC is a completely reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I think that we're talking at each other, and you've possibly taken offense at something I said about the article thinking it reflected on you, so I'll try again…

I asked (over here) if you were affiliated with the British Sledge Hockey Association because your username has the initials BSHA—it's common for someone affiliated with an organization to use the org's name, but rare for someone entirely unrelated to do so.

Based on some of your queries, I'm not sure you're reading the WP links I've been using. They point to pages that explain WP's policies and guidelines, and fill in the details for what I've said. In particular, where you wrote The sources provided are more reliable and detailed than for most (if not all) Ice Sledge Hockey players...: the phrase "reliable source" has a particular meaning on Wikipedia, which is why it's almost always a link to reliable source. That should help when trying to understand what's meant. As for the articles on other players, read other stuff exists—if you believe that the other articles have serious issues, then feel free to nominate them for deletion.

I agree that playing at the Paralympics level qualifies someone as meeting WP:ATHLETE. But I'm still not seeing (and haven't been able to find) any articles with substantial coverage of Lloyd himself—which is what a WP biography needs.

That first BBC link was solid, so I've added it to the article. The second (like the links below) looks redundant. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 23:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Sources

• Currently in the article:

• A slew of press releases from paralympics.org.uk (the British Paralympic Organization)
• One press release from Volleyball England
• A brief mention in the Grimsby Telegraph in an article on the announced closure of a local hockey rink

• Not in the article, as they're redundant:

• An "IPC Ice sledge hockey classification master list"

http://www.ipc-icesledgehockey.org/export/sites/ipc_sports_ice_sledge_hockey/Classification/2010_01_22_IPC_ISH_Classification_MasterListv2.0.pdf

• surely this confirms disability and paralympic status —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

• A list of Torino 2006 Ice sledge hockey participants

http://www.paralympic.org/Sport/Results/results.html?competition=2006PWG&gender=m&sport=icehockey

• surely this confirms particaption at 2006 Paralympics —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

• The 2009 IPC Ice Sledge Hockey World Championships B list of participants

http://www.ipc-icesledgehockey.org/export/sites/ipc_sports_ice_sledge_hockey/Results/2009_IPC_ISH_WCH_Eindhoven_All_Games_Game_Sheet.pdf

• surely this is evidence of him playing in the World Championships - surely this is evidence of him playing in the World Championships —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

• A UK volleyball newsletter

http://www.volleyballnewsletter.com/news-let/vnl-219.htm

• accepted although another source —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

• An English Federation of Disability Sport press release: "The Ultimate Inclusive Team Sport Inline Sledge Hockey Launch"

http://www.efds.co.uk/news.asp?section=22&itemid=1791

• Another source relating to inline sledge hockey —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

• A BBC video on "Sledge hockey comes to Grimsby"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7974598.stm

• BBC source demonstrating Lloyd is more than just another sledge hockey player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSHA GB (talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 00:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not clear what you're asking about for each link above—when I said they're redundant, it didn't mean that I didn't believe them. What I don't see is what they add in addition to the already-included sources. If any of them have more detail or better fit WP:SECONDARY, WP:V, OR WP:RS, feel free to swap them out. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 23:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Issues

{{BLP sources}}

No question that this one applies (unless/until a few media outlets cover him in-depth)

{{or}}

There's a lot in the article that's currently completely unsourced—being born with spina bifida and club feet, as just two examples

{{primary sources}}

The press releases are all primary sources; what's needed are secondary sources

{{notability}}

Without secondary in-depth coverage, WP can't verify that the accuracy of the above, leading to this

Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 00:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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