Talk:Maverick Party/Archive 1

Archive 1

Ideology and political position

There seems to be a lot of back and forth about whether the party is libertarian, right-wing, alternative right, far right, etc. It might be helpful for us to have a discussion here, provide some sources and talk it out. I don't think it is helping anyone for it to be changed every few days or weeks.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

We have a source, "Wexit and the Alternative Right (as of December 2, 2019)". Active History. Retrieved May 1, 2020., that states they're "alt-right". Do you have a source for anything else? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't pushing for any label yet, just noting that the constant back and forth without discussion is not the best. I don't believe I have edited that part of the infobox. To further the discussion, this CBC article has the party's leader saying that while the movement is "often associated with conservative politics, but it's neither a left-wing nor right-wing movement". CTV recorded him saying something similar. Make of that what you will. This one in the Manitoban calls the movement "right-wing populism". The party's website says they stand for economic liberty, social stability and Western Canadian sovereignty. Also take that for what it is. If the editors who take issue with Far/Alt right descriptors have some sources, beyond those already mentioned, I recommend they share them too.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 06:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I saw you revert an anon. I would discount any officials as they're trying to spin their position, and the Manitoban says "spectre of right-wing populism", which is different. Later it has "is part of the emergence of what can be considered right-wing populism", again couched terms. I have not dug too deeply to see what RSes are saying about them, but alt-right seems pretty close. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, we should not just accept what politicians say, but we can't completely dismiss it either. Diagnosing political ideology of a party it is a rather difficult task. In fairness, I am not sure that paper really says Wexit is Alt-Right:

The most significant differences between Wexit and Alt-Right Groups, both in Europe and in the United States, are the absence in the Wexit platform of explicit statements emphasizing the supremacy of white men and a certain degree of concern for the environment...

Although significantly more right wing than the Reform Party, the Wexit movement appears to be fueled by a libertarian politics that echoes their work during the 1990s. It loudly proclaims the economic libertarian desires of the movement, while it quietly states the social conservative politics of the Alt-Right.

On the surface, in focusing on economy over culture, the Wexit movement has some distance from the Alt-Right’s ideological pull. To fully understand the overlap, though, we would need to examine the membership between these two movements. Further, if the movement grows in support during 2020, these assertions will need to be revisited, particularly if it shifts its focus towards cultural, rather than economics-based, politics.

Though, I agree that the article does seem to be trying to say Wexit is very right wing, economically libertarian, and pro-fossil-fuel-industry.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 06:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Agree that they have libertarian and separatist ideas, both of which make them less than pure alt-right. I would not complain adding those terms in the infobox. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I will add libertarian. I will leave "separatist" as "Western separatism" is already mentioned under ideology.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Party Leaders Table

Do we really need a table for this? As far as I know, no other parties have not have a list of their former leaders in the main article space. Isn't it enough to address this in prose and the infobox?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Jay Hill photo

Do we need Jay Hill's photo in this article? We have already noted that he is the leader in the infobox (with a link to his article), in prose of the article (again with a link to his article) and in a table (that I am not sure is necessary). We are featuring him quite prominently by including a photo. I am not sure that is warranted given that he is only one of the leaders the party has had, and he is only an interim leader. As this article is also about the provincial parties it seems odd to give this much prominence to its interim federal leader.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

He's just the interim leader. I would say, probably not. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the photo, other than it's a bit larger than I would like. It can be replaced with a photo of the next leader, when chosen. PKT(alk) 12:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta article created

Since members of Wexit Alberta and the Freedom Conservative Party have approved the merger, I have created a separate article for the new party. See the discussion on the talk page there. We may need to consider how we deal with the Wexit Alberta section of this article going forward, and address the merger at Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta and Wildrose Party.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Separate Article for Buffalo Party of Saskatchewan

I have created a separate article for Buffalo Party of Saskatchewan (formerly Wexit Sask). I think it is time to pair down the info on the provincial parties in this article. With the name change of Wexit Canada to Maverick Party there is little (if any) connections between these parties anymore. What connection they share in terms of a shared foundation (ie initial history) can be dealt with in a few sentences in a history section. Having the entire history of the provincial parties here, suggests they have continuing links which does not appear to be the case. Hill has said they are independent. Now none of them even share a name.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 16:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Should separate articles be made about the provincial parties?

Wexit of course is an independence movement, which has become a federal party and in some provinces a provincial party. How is it best for us to deal with the provincial parties? Should separate articles be created? Or should they be incorporated into this article? The party is now registered in BC and in the process of being registered in Saskatchewan.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Not until they're either officially recognized by their local electoral authorities or they're independently notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

The BC party is already registered (see the link above to the Elections BC website). The Saskatchewan one appears to have applied so that is likely to happen soon. I am not sure if they are actually affiliated with eachother though. Not sure if they should be in this article or their own.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

The provincial parties are important and active. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peking Tom (talk • contribs) 15:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

We deal with notable subjects, not "important" ones. If you can supply references to support their notability, we can discuss hiving them off into separate articles. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I think the fact that Jay Hill seems to be saying they are not affiliated (or soon) won't be suggests we are going to have to hive them off. Wexit also plans to run candidates at the provincial level in those provinces, but Hill said the federal party will not be affiliated with the provincial parties.[1] Maybe we should just leave a brief bit of prose that the provincial entities briefly existed and were part of the mobilizing of the federal party before they split off into the Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta and Buffalo Party of Saskatchewan. I am not in a rush to do that, but I think that is where this is headed. If they are not affiliated with Wexit Canada, I don't think they should be extensively covered here.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

So now Wexit Alberta has officially merged into Wildrose Independence, and Wexit Saskatchewan has changed its name to the Buffalo Party. Should the content concerning them still be here, or should it migrate to the Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta article, and possibly a new one for the Buffalo Party of Saskatchewan?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 04:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

As an historical artifact, yes. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I would agree with you if there was actually any evidence the federal and provincial parties were ever affiliated with each other. Perhaps there is some I am unaware of, but as far as I can tell the only thing they ever had in common was the name. And Jay Hill made clear before the split that the federal party would not be affiliated with the provincial parties:

Wexit also plans to run candidates at the provincial level in those provinces, but Hill said the federal party will not be affiliated with the provincial parties.[2]

So shouldn't this article focus on the federal party, with only passing mention of the provincial parties that briefly bore the same name?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 03:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Unless the provincial parties either merge with a more established party or run in an election, we should not be creating articles for these parties as there is little that would be considered noteworthy about them. But until then, I would hold off until the next federal or provincial elections. Jsraynault (talk) 06:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• As noted below, I think it is time to cut this section and replace it with a brief section discussing the provincial parties in a strictly historical context. The provincial parties are independent and do not even share the "Wexit" name anymore. The section as it currently exists suggests there are formal links between the parties which is not the case.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 16:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

List of former officeholders?

There is a list of former office holders who are alleged to have supported the Maverick Party, I can find no supporting information to verify the accuracy. I think this should probably be removed as, with the exception of Allan Kerpan, there appears to be no proof that the others (Eric Lowther, Val Meredith, Leon Benoit, & LeVar Payne) have publicly stated their support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrentBrownlee (talk • contribs) 17:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

the only proof of this that I have saw are facebook posts. I have not seen anything in the papers on on the news. CarmenClasante71 (talk) 23:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Re-write needed, updating

I have taken some initial steps to reorder the article. I think a bit of a re-write/updating is required. The change of name, leader, provincial parties (which also changed their names and leaders in a short period) makes this all a bit confusing. Also some unnecessary information seems to be duplicated. I think adding a history section, and perhaps the growth of a section about policies, would help this article improve over time. Feel free to take a crack at it.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for improving the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peking Tom (talk • contribs) 17:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

One question about the history. I thought it was WEXIT alberta that did the sign campaign? or was it the Prairie Freedom Movement. Peter Downing put up posters and signs under several groups so not sure? CarmenClasante71 (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Help

I don't know if those involved with creating the Maverick party section can help me. The history section needs an overhaul as some of it pertains to the WEXIT movement and not the actual WEXIT political parties. I don't know how to create the changes and add citations. This is all greek to me. I want to know if someone can help with making sure this is done correctly?Carmen~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clasante71 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Add what you can. It is important that anything that you add is in as neutral wording as possible (per WP:NPOV). It also needs to be properly sourced (per WP:VERIFY and WP:RS). Don't worry about that too much though. If you add a bare URL because you aren't clear on the coding yet, someone will fill it out. Wikipedia is a collaboration. Please do not add content that has been copied and pasted directly from another source though. We have to summarize and reference our sources. Don't hesitate to leave a message here if you have any questions.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have tried some edits and added the bare URL as I don't know how to anything else. I tried to add some changes to the Alberta Wexit about the merger with the peoples party of Alberta after the party become Wildrose independence party of albera (wipa) It does not show up but it is in the edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clasante71 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits. I tweeked them and filled out some of the references etc. and it seems other editors have also copy edited things. Thanks for contributing. Sorry, I removed a couple things mainly the mention to the Facebook following, we need an actual citation about that because we are not allowed to do our own research. Usually, those sort of things are not included in articles because it is seen as promotional or non-enclopedic.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

this is not the easiest thing to do. to try and make it sound good. I can usually find the information but wording things is not my strong suit. CarmenClasante71 (talk) 03:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

That is okay. That is why Wikipedia is a collaboration. Together we are greater than the sum of our parts. I hadn't seen that reference about the Wexit BC leader resigning. When we all add something, we build a better encyclopedia. It's why we're all here.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)