Talk:Max I. Silber

Refs etc

I was researching the article and editing material off-line when someone tagged the page and deleted it. I have now uploaded what I have, references and all, hopefully this will remedy the issue. RobHoitt 03:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Death

Death date is listed as June 8 and June 15, 2004. See ref 1 and [here. Believe it was also in NH, but not sure.Rlevse 18:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

See also: User_talk:RobHoitt#Max.27s_death.Rlevse 15:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If you visit nashuatelegraph.com, you can do an advanced search and find this article:

Max I. Silber, Nashua

Distinguished scout, citizen of Nashua

Date: June 17, 2004

Publication: Telegraph, The (Nashua, NH)Word Count: 1152

Max I. Silber, 93, of Langdon Place, Nashua, died Tuesday evening, June 15, 2004. Mr. Silber was born Feb. 15, 1911, in Manchester, son of the late Oscar and Anna (Slovak) Silber. He had been a longtime resident of Nashua.

He was the widower of Edith (Kamenske) Silber. They were married June 20, 1934. They shared 65 years of marriage before her death in 2000.

You can pay $3 to read the whole article, it is his obituary, so I would call it canon. (I as at his funeral, although personal account/verification may not be worth too much, so hopefully this reference will suffice.) RobHoitt 19:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Works for me. When I get time to work on his refs, I'll add this in.Rlevse 20:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Done, but the death info needs worked somehow. Depends on what more info can be found.Rlevse 00:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

All I know, and all the obit said was that Max died peacefully at his home. While I know a few of the folks around Max towards the end, I don't think it would be that appropriate or polite to inquire much past that. I'll try to make what we have work a bit better... RobHoitt 14:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, death doesn't need to be its own section. Depending on other things found, it could be in a "later in life" section.Rlevse 15:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I gave it a quick touchup. I added some facts about his personal life, the only way I could provide a web referece to the fact that Max's buckles can sell for 'hundreds of dollars' was by showing where they are currenltly being sold. eBay is the most common source of sales, and there always seem to be buckles sold there. Today, there are some for as much as $400. I thought it best to show this example as it shows what multiple people are actually selling them for in one place, and theoretically that is I think a more accurate way of depicting it than by showing individual collector's personal sites. RobHoitt 15:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand. The other issue with ebay links is that they disappear after 90 days.Rlevse 15:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Wish List

I would love to have a complete listing of the Max Buckles, I do not have photos of all of them, maybe folks can help us out. I have notes for many, but without good photostock they won't look so good... I have photos of the two posthumous buckles already. RobHoitt 21:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

O.K. I've started the list, I know there is more, but those were the ones that I knew about. If folks could upload photos of their buckles, we can complete this section. I have a 1984 Council Jambo buckle, and a couple others that I will be photographing. I am planning a trip up to the LL Lee Museum in late October to try to photograph any that I still need and to get official quantity amounts. RobHoitt 19:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

All right, list and photos are now complete. I was given a copy of the last printed official quantity listing that the Museum made up, it was not updated past 2002. So we have compete data for all but two official buckles. Now there are nine other "unofficial" buckles, which I don't have pictures or data for yet... I'm working on that part now...

In looking at the final product, I'd like to get better photos of a couple of these, but for now the collection is complete, and all the photos are of consistent quality, so unless someone has better photos we'll go with these for now. RobHoitt 02:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Toward GAC

Early, professional and museum sections need beefed up. May need to move professional to after personal section. Coming along nicely. Rlevse 14:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Review/Gadget850

Style and content

• Should use {{Infobox Person}} and not the BSAseries box.
• "Perhaps the most famous endeavor of Silber's was the development of his "friendship gifts" which were most commonly belt buckles made of bronze. These buckles have evolved into popular Scouting collectibles." A touch of weasel wording here. Perhaps:

"Silber was well-known for his friendship gifts, usually belt buckles made of bronze with a Scouting theme; these are now highly collectible."

"Weasel wording?" I might suggest you avoid slang/jargon. I have no idea what that means. Perhaps if you could explain it, I would understand better. RobHoitt 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Sory about that; seeWP:weasel words; words like some and perhaps need to be pared out

• Formal encyclopedia tone is to use last name, not first
• Early life and Personal life are light on content; who were his parents, where did he grow up, what schools, what professions, etc; perhaps these should be merged unless they can really be expanded

I am researching as time allows. I am looking into who I can interview now, but that process will take time. RobHoitt 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• A number of capitalization issues: titles are usually capped only when used before a name

I have generally seen Scouting titles capatalized commonly amongst BSA folks even if it isn't in front of a person's name. Do we have a specific Scouting style sheet to reference? RobHoitt 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes we do: see WP:SCOUTMOS for our guide, see MOS:CAPS for the Wikipedia guide and see The Language of Scouting for the BSA style guide- look under "C" for capitalization; and yes I also see a lot of documents with over-capitalization

• Professional life: here it is; move it up to the beginning
• Honors should probably be Legacy; Why does the university give the Max I. Silber Award?

Brandeis gives it to their outstanding female athelete each year... Think of it like the MVP on a baseball team... It is a subjective measure of which female athelete was the most outstanding over her peers... RobHoitt 04:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Images

• Image:MaxSilber.jpg should use {{information}}; "no other free alternatives" is ambiguous—either it is free or it is not
• Image:MaxBucklesPH.jpg needs cleanup, the background is distracting

It is on a white background. I don't quite understand. I could understand if it was tartan or paisley or such. Why would it need cleanup? RobHoitt 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• The quality of the buckle images is varied; many, such as Image:93Buckle.jpg are so out of focus or washed out as to be illegible.

--Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I took all of them from the same high resolution photograph, they are all the same resolution and focus. That one is dark becasuse of the lighting and the way it was polished. Some were gloss polished and reflect light better, some were brush polished, and show up as darker. I think you are having problems with the contrast. However, I flew up to New Hampshire and got to see the collection there, as I live 600+ miles away, it is a bit out of my general travel circles... If someone can be found for whom the musuem is nearby to retake those photos that are of concern, than that would best solve the problem... But for now that is the best I can offer. RobHoitt 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)