Talk:Maya Herrera

September 2007

these articles have the exact same content, copied and pasted.. Until there's a reason to differentiate them because of differing experiences, they should be the same. --Thespian 06:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Simply because the dynamic of these characters is the fact that we see them as a duet does not make them a singular entity. This is a case where the whole is not greater than the sum of its parts. Windmillninja 03:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, Maya's power is listed as "inflict disease" and Alejandro's as "Cure Disease." Although I agree that this is likely correct, at present we don't actually know what either of their powers are as it hasn't been stated in the show. Until we're actually told what their powers are, we should remove this as OR. Stile4aly 18:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that theres a good chance that Maya causes Cerebral Aneurysms it would fit in with the blackend eyes and the blood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.181.154 (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

_{Moved comments below the Table of Contents, adding heading ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 12:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)}

Power Revealed but not Explained

It appears that when seperated from her brother, her eyes bleed pure darkness, turning completely black and forcing the same upon any who look at her. Her brother seems to be able to control her ability by absorbing the darkness into himself, as his eyes are temporarily dark after stopping her power. If used quickly enough, the person may even live, as revealed in 'Lizards'. How this works is, of course, unknown, but is referred to as a 'Curse'. It doesn't appear to take action until the victim looks at Maya's face, possibly into her eyes themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.4.16 (talk) 02:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that her powers are cause by emotions. Don't you think? Nocarsgo 20:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I have thought along those lines, but the fact that her brother had to actually absorb her power supports the opposing argument. After all, she didn't calm down until after her power faded —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.4.16 (talk) 00:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but maybe it's caused by stress. Remember Four Months Ago? The first time she uses this power voluntarily was with Sylar. Pokemon Buffy Titan (talk) 09:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Factual Error

In the third article, where it says: "In "Lizards", Maya and Alejandro make it to the Honduran-Mexican border where they meet with Nidia"

it is actually Guatemalan-Mexican border, Honduras is not connected to Mexico in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.230.154.184 (talk) 06:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Power described as spreading a virus

As likely an explanation as this may be, I think it's just conjecture. No explaination of any sort has been given in the show, and unless it was stated in the comic book she appeared in, I don't think her power's should be defined as spreading a virus. Perhaps mentioning that it is speculation would help? --Romulus 01:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

A better explanation is that she just has some highly contagious disease, since she suffers from the same "bleeding-eye" effects as her victims. Unless it's officially established that Maya does have a power, of course. --Pentasyllabic 02:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, it goes without saying that anyone exibiting superhuman tendencies in that show has some kind of 'power,' but that's not my point. My problem with this article is that states that her power is to spread a virus. As I mentioned above, this is not unreasonable, but unfortunately it's pure conjecture! We have never had anything other than circumstantional suspicions to base this off of.

Basically, it doesn't matter so much what's better explanation, as what's actually confirmed (and a virus related power, while extremely likely and in accordance with other plots and themes in the show, is not confirmed in the show). I propose that the 'virus' she has power over/controls/whatever be removed, or relagated to speculation. --Romulus 22:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

An important fact to remember is that it appears that the victims will only die if Alejandro does not negate Maya's power within a certain amount of time. When they were with a large group of illegal imigrants (or emmigrants at that point) in 'Four Months Later', everyone was dead by the time he got there, and her eyes were normal. More recently however, there have been survivors when he negates her power within a matter of minutes. It does appear to be a viral or possibly bacterial attack of sorts, caused by stress. Again, the jury is still out on this one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.132.226 (talk) 03:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

In last night's episode, she triggered it voluntarily - meaning it might be like Peter's radiation, where he lost control when he became stressed or distracted. ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 12:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

But we've all reached the consensus that the section on her powers (and presumably the section on her brother's page) should be changed or rewritten, specifically avoiding phrases such as "Maya has the ability to infect others with a deadly disease..."?

--Romulus 03:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

On the Activating evolution site, there is an ability on the list called virogenesis which states "People with this ability are capable of generating a deadly and highly infectious airborne virus. Production of this virus can be triggered by extreme stress" Does this not sound like Maya? Warioman64 06:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Then that should be listed as a possibility, not fact. Yes, they have all but told us that her power is virus, but unfortunately, they have 'all but told us.' I still maintain that the definition of her power be limited to its observable effects, and that the virus notion be mentioned only as a very high possibility. Also, could you link to the site that says that?--Romulus 01:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Activating Evolution is a non-official site done in character by a fan, with a wiki full of supposed powers. 'Virogenesis' is actually a fan definition at this time and is not coming from anything official. --Thespian 06:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for that clarification. Thanks also to whoever altered the powers section, but I still think we should refrain from calling it a disease in such definite terms. Yes, it's nolonger listed as anything specific, but I just don't seee how we can factualy justify calling it a disease at this point, even though, as I've said, it's extremely likely.--Romulus 22:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I haven't heard any description of Maya's power other than "a curse." Now being that this is a science fiction show where ANYTHING is possible, isn't it likely that her power is what it seems to be? Maya casts death upon those around her, and Alejandro can give those affected by her power of death back their life. I see no reason why the power has to be attributed to any disease or virus.

gemini

On that note, i would like to comment on a Gemini like thing. Aren't they like fraternal twins or something i think it's interesting that they share this twin like ability. Could anyone possible contribute or expand to their being a connection to Gemini? 68.185.197.67 05:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

In the absence of confirmation on screen, it's speculation at this point. The only other siblings with powers that we know of are Peter and Nathan, who are over 12 years apart in age and have vastly different powers. Maybe they'll explore that on-screen, maybe not. ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 12:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

How about if we call this power Sudden Spoiling?

A friend showed this Magic card to me, and I was very surprised. Unless this power shows up in the list of superpowers, can we call it Sudden Spoiling temporarily until we get the official name? http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAGTIM/sudden_spoiling.jpg 209.91.61.223 06:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but that would be like calling the Haitian's power "Kryptonite." That, and your link is broken.--Romulus 22:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Your analogy doesn't make a bit of sense, but sorry for that link being broken. It was working on the day I posted it. Here, have another: http://ww2.wizards.com/Gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=113525 209.91.61.223 04:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit that card is a startling coincidence--but just that, a coincidence. What I meant to say with my metaphor was that you cannot take a term specifically created for one thing in a series/fictional world, and use it to encyclopedically describe something in an entirely different series/fictional world. Hence, in the example, the Haitian man can inhibit other people's powers, but that doesn't mean we call his power Kryptonite after Superman's weakness. Another example would be describing the time machine in the H.G. Wells novel of the same name as having a Flux Capacitor from back to the future--the terms just don't apply to each other.

That being said, I do think that that card could be mentioned as something under a facts section or as a parallel in another work of fiction.--Romulus 04:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Heroes shares many abilities as other heroes in other universes, an example would be the Marvel universe. Claire has regeneration, and we can call it regeneration or spontaneous regeneration. Wolverine has regeneration. Even though it isn't a "specific" ability for healing factor, they are still shared by more than two universes. For a specific example, Bob(the Company man) can turn objects into gold. One mythical character King Midas can touch things and turn them into gold, and this is called the Midas Touch. The Wiki entry for the Company only lists Bob's power as "Alchemy", but that is pretty vague because alchemy has been known to have many other uses. Anyway, I now agree that it should not be called Sudden Spoiling, and I hope we'll get an official term for it even the show doesn't specifically state abilities other than "Whoa energy came out of my hand!" =/ 209.91.61.223 07:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Interesting point, though I'd argue that the term "Sudden Spoiling" was coined specificly for the card game. I understand what you're saying, though.--Romulus 21:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Something to Note

I rewatched the first episode of season 2 with maya and alejandro. I noticed that when her brother got to the truck that was transporting all of those people. When you look at Maya her eyes did not have the liquid/blood whatever, running from them, and at this point the other people were left dead. But in the case of Nidia, and the police station, while her eyes were still black and the fluid was still running from them, Alejandro was still able to revive the people that were affected. Just something I wanted to take note of...Jjkayes 18:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm surprised you couldn't deduce the conclusion to your facts, man. You answer your own question: The reason why "Alex" didn't want to leave Maja's side was because if her power was activated, he couldn't suppress it himself, effectively undoing what she had. Her power will dissipate (meaning, her eyes will deactivate) but the damage would remain done. I can't think of a literal tangible example, because it's not real, but think of it as "if her eyes are still "activated', the damage is reverseable. If her eyes have calmed, the damage is done." It's almost like a supernatural "statute of limitations", haha. 74.12.10.219 00:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Joe Caron

Yeah I realized that it was actually already stated on the page so it was like oops more like. My bad lolJjkayes 13:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The Weeping Woman

I think a reasonable parallel can be drawn between Maya and La Llorona, what do some of you think? If you're in agreement, is it worth a mention in the article? Davi Williams (talk) 07:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think if you can find a citation that supports the connection that would make a fine addition. Remember, we can't add anything, we can only gather notes and citations from other people. Padillah (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Tears

Is it really necessary to have a link to the entry on tears? Doesn't Wikipedia frown on excessive linking like that? Parableman (talk) 03:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Probably not, but the effect was created by making Dania cry in every scene and colouring her tears black, as it was the only way they could get a natural look to the power (or so say the special effects team on Heroes Unmasked). So the tears are definitely relevent. -- WORMMЯOW  08:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)