Talk:Medical malpractice

Medical Error vs. Consequences of Malpractice

The following material has been removed from the "Consequences" section:

Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine researchers say that preventable medical errors are the third lead cause of death in the United States. Less than one quarter of care takes place in hospitals. Across all care settings the numbers are higher.

Martin Makary, a professor of surgery at Johns Hopkins, who led the research, said that the category includes everything from bad doctors to more systemic issues such as communication breakdowns when patients are handed off from one department to another. “It boils down to people dying from the care that they receive rather than the disease for which they are seeking care,” Makary said.

The reasons for removing this material are as follows:

• The material is not actually about medical malpractice or the consequences of malpractice. It's about medical error, which is actually a different subject. Errors constituting malpractice are a subset of medical errors.
• The material is very U.S.-centered.

To the extent that it is arguably relevant to malpractice, the material seems properly placed in Medical malpractice in the United States; but the best home for that type of information appears to be Medical error. Arllaw (talk) 15:01, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

References

Economic Consequences

A significant amount of U.S.-oriented content has been added to this article under the heading, "Consequences". I suggest removing the content from this article. To the extent that such discussion is appropriate, if revised into something more neutral and encyclopedic, it would be much better placed in Medical malpractice in the United States. Arllaw (talk) 16:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nrickerd:, please join the discussion re: consequences of medical malpractice. Arllaw (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

If there are no other thoughts or suggestions, and given that these issues appear to be reasonably well addressed in the U.S. article, I will proceed to remove the material from this article. Arllaw (talk) 15:58, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Want a list of medical malpractice

Want a publicly accessible list or examples on medical malpractice. 2405:204:4313:D858:55AE:1695:FFA7:219F (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Some doctors misconduct with patient or the family members of patients. Does this belong ro medical malpractice?

This is so common in public hospitals or free-of-cost medical service though often happens in costly and private hospitals too. The misconducts including:

1. Showing egoistic or boastful attitude and making the patient/ family members feel afraid and traumatised.

2. Forcing the patients to talk in a professional way or socially appropriate way. A very uneducated or undisciplined communication, communication problem, excessively detailed or literal communication (as seen in some autistics) which may look annoyingly bookish and socially awkward but yes some patients suffer it, written communication etc may lead to devastating miscommunication.

3. Ignoring very important observations by the patients or patient's family members.

4. Not giving proper road direction or accessibility.

5. Ignoring or shouting over patient's hypersensitivity to pain such as while stitching or dressing or injection etc. Using restraint force or tying the patient with bed. Making the patient feel low by comparing how other patients easily tolerate the pain.

6. Passively or actively encouraging the patients to "put on a brave face" that may lead patients to ignore valuable information about symptoms.

7. Doctors tend to put denial on incurable conditions such as dementia. Instead of get necessary supported, such approach lead to feel of cheating and gaslighting.

8. Telling patients that the doctor's medical training has more value over the patient's lifelong experience.

9. Considering learning disabilities as "attention seeking" or ineligibility or normal personality traits.

10. Punishing patient's family members and shaming as "overprotective" or "overconcerned" while the patent party is actually underconcerned or superstitious.

2405:204:4313:D858:55AE:1695:FFA7:219F (talk) 14:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC) 2405:204:4313:D858:55AE:1695:FFA7:219F (talk) 14:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution. Do you have any reliable source about this that we could use to support content being added? Bondegezou (talk) 20:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Use of antibiotics in influenza

We commonly see doctors prescribe antibiotics for influenza or common cold that includes amoxicilline or cloxacilline or potassium clavulanate. Although they tend to criticise the usage of vitamin C and B-complex. Is this an example of medical malpractice?

If it is a medical malpractice then it should be included into the malpractice article.

2409:4060:2089:3FF4:0:0:9B4:60A5 (talk) 17:36, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

medical malpractice (negligence) ≠ medical incompetence. A negligence claim for failure to cure a common cold due to the prescribing of amoxicillin is unlikely to succeed.Fortnum (talk) 17:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Moreover, medical malpractice is a generic term. There doesn't seem any value in this article listing all the different ways a doctor can deliver poor treatment. If you have any sources on this topic that meet WP:MEDRS, you could add content to the influenza and common cold articles. Bondegezou (talk) 20:37, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If there were complications from the antibiotic treatment (e.g., C difficile colitis, septic shock from it, etc) and they prescribed it knowing the diagnosis was influenza, then perhaps or some significant event from the antibiotic (e.g., Steven Johnson syndrome or toxic epidermal necrolysis) occurred under those circumstances. At that point it would definitely fall short of being standard-of-care treatment. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 22:24, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

In practice, this doesn't happen. Primary care practitioners regularly still issue antibiotics for viral infections, knowing that they are totally ineffective, but because their patients demand them to do so and it gets them out the surgery. There is not, however, a raft of litigation regarding medical negligence connected with such prescribing. It might be a possibility, but in reality highly improbable. Prescribing an antibiotic where there are clear contradictions against such prescribing due to interactions or adverse reactions previously noted for that patient would be more likely to be able to be construed as 'negligence' than just prescribing something which was highly improbable not to work, but 'safe' for the patient to take and specifically requested by him. Fortnum (talk) 13:12, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Change in Medical Malpractice Law and Consequences Section

In the current page, United Kingdom has a subsection under medical malpractice law. This can be confusing for readers because lower, in the consequences section, there is expansion on medical malpractice in other countries. Instead of there being a Consequences section, I suggest that there be a "Medical Malpractice in Other Countries" section that can elaborate on medical malpractice and its consequences in other countries. Not only this, the United Kingdom section in "Medical malpractice law" should be moved into this new category. This would make it easier for the reader to find information on medical malpractice in other countries, and allow for medical malpractice law to easily integrate into each country's category.

CatherineGCC (talk) 18:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)