Talk:Mediterranean cuisine/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Feels great to take on one of your masterpieces :) Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:29, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I have been busy elsewhere... OK, so here are my comments: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 12:42, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• I think this should be three paras long, covering all aspects of the article as per WP:MOSLEAD.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Will give a thorough read once done.

Alright, one comment (look at the bottom of the page). Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Geography

• The cooking of the Mediterranean shores "T" need not be in caps here. Same for "F" ("From") in the next quote and any other similar case.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• It would be good to add who David was, though you give a link. It would make a good start.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• You can simply call her David after the first mention.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Do wheat and grape need links? You already mention them as "main articles" later.

I think it's reasonable given their importance here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• It might be a good idea to use quote templates here for the big quotes, as done in the rest of the article.

Done for the second one; the first is too short. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Key ingredients

• I wonder if we need to link "archaeologist". You might as well have linked "historian".

Ok, dropped. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Persia and Mesopotamia Links would be appreciated

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk)

• Link Levant and Turkey if you link all important places, and Crete may be removed as it is a duplink.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• The ten countries with the largest harvests... Mention the year for the figures. Same for Some 90% of the fruit production goes into olive oil

Done. They're pretty stable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Greece, used 17kg per head; Italy, 12kg, Spain 3kg "17 kg" and likewise. Convert templates would be helpful.

I'm not sure it's justified here: it adds a lot of clutter to a simple story. I've put in a footnote instead. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Link "hybridised".

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• in the empire of Ancient Rome Would be helpful to add the timeline for Ancient Rome.

Again, that is quite a lot of apparatus: the term is already linked. Have added "around 2,000 years ago". Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Write the BC years either as "X,000" or as "X000".

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• I would not ask conversions for the tonnes, they would be too terrifying and cumbersome.

And also worthless, all the tons are pretty much the same in round numbers. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Concept

• Carol Helstosky's 2009 Food Culture in the Mediterranean is among the authors → "Carol Helstosky, author of Food Culture in the Mediterranean (2009), is among the authors"

Reworded. Chiswick Chap (talk)

• "Mediterranean food", writing in her preface → " "Mediterranean food". In her preface (to the 2009 book <I understand that is what you mean>) she writes: "

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Pasta is a duplink

Ok, not sure it wouldn't be better to leave it in here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• I think it would be safe to add citations before as well as after the quotes, as you do with ref. 24. I noticed you have not for the following quotes.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• It would be good if you could identify some of the authors mentioned in the last para.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Origins

• Would be helpful to add when the Early Modern period was.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Cooking

• David's introduction to her A Book of Mediterranean Food By now we should be able to say "her 1950 book".

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• "Olive oil" and "tomatoes" are two duplinks (there are others which I feel should be retained) that can be removed.

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Despite this, however, the lands bordering...provincial variations. Source?

Reffed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Sources for the first paras of French and Spanish sections?

Reffed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Mediterranean diet and cuisine

• Massimo Alberini and Giorgio Mistretta Who are they?

Dropped their names, basically it's just a travel guide. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

A changing cuisine

• Since Elizabeth David wrote Just "David"

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Images

• Properly licensed
• Images are squashing the text at many places.

I've tried it at a range of screen widths, and it seems reasonable. Since all the images are serving a definite purpose, we should probably just live with it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Note I think the article should follow BE. Here is a script that can save you from doing this manually. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 14:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I have written it in BE. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Just checked with the script, there was a "popularized" that it fixed. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah. Yes, we Brits often use 'z's actually, contrary to popular belief! Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

This splendid work can now be promoted. Just one suggestion about the lead, I think you should list some of the cuisine varieties you discuss in "Cooking". Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do that. Many thanks for the review. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)