Talk:Meermin

Images

Both images that are currently in the article are generic images of a hoeker. Maybe more specific images of the Meermin such as the floor plan [1] could be included? – Editør (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Re "generic", see footnote 1. If you can get a free copy of that plan in high resolution and upload it to Commons, obviously that would be great. I would not want to see a low resolution version of that image in the article, since a much higher resolution version than that offered by PBS.org is already available via two references. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The original document that was reproduced (via [2]) on the Maritiem Digitaal website was made in 1760, 255 years ago, so the copyright has definitely expired by now. – Editør (talk) 19:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

That image is low resolution. There is no copyright on the plan, yes, but the article needs a high-resolution image of the plan: I asked for a high-resolution image of the plan from the archive where it is kept, I was told I would have to pay for it, and that the archive would reserve copyright on the image.[3] So I couldn't use it here. You might want to try again, or you might not be interested in what the archive says about copyright, if so good luck! Nortonius (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree that it would be nicer to have a higher resolution version, but it is better than no image at all. I think that, despite the copyright claim of Maritiem Digitaal, the image can be uploaded as a PD-scan on Wikimedia Commons (Commons:When to use the PD-scan tag). – Editør (talk) 19:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean by "no image at all"? If you really want to add that low-resolution image to the article then I can't stop you, but I would rather wait until a high-resolution image is available, per what I said previously: there are already two links to a higher-resolution image in the article. If you get a high-resolution scan and upload it, then no problem! Nortonius (talk) 20:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I meant "no image of the Meermin specifically", only generic images of the hoeker, which might have looked different from the actual Meermin. – Editør (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

There is a scale model of the Meermin in the Iziko Museum. Maybe a free-to-use photo of this model could be found? – Editør (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The same photograph appears in one of the sources linked from the article. Yes, I think a quality photograph of that model would be excellent, so long as it didn't look too much like a snapshot taken in a museum. Not everyone is keen on photographs of replicas, but I would be happy to see it here. About "generic", you did read footnote 1? The images from Groenewegen are specifically of a three-masted hoeker, which apparently narrows things down a lot. And, within the limitations of the images from Groenewegen and of the replica, I can't see any significant difference. To me the point is that the images from Groenewegen are better than a photograph of a replica because they are close in time to the career of the Meermin; whereas a high-resolution image of the plan would obviously be better than the images from Groenewegen. But the latter are still extremely useful even if there is such an image of the plan, since they illustrate very well what the ship would have looked like in use. That is, they are not so generic as to be useless: they are not just pictures of "a square-rigged sailing ship, yesterday", they are Dutch illustrations of a three-masted hoeker that were created in the latter part of the 18th century. Unless we find a contemporary image of the ship Meermin, as opposed to what is after all a partial plan, I don't think we can do better. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 00:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Editør, regarding your recent move of the infobox image, and my revert, we have discussed this image and I hope that I do understand why you dislike it. I hope equally that you understand why I like it. Unless a consensus develops to do things differently, or until an image of the Meermin or its replica becomes available, obviously I would like it to stay where it is. I would add that the image was in the infobox in the version of this article that was promoted to Good Article. Thanks. Nortonius (talk) 23:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

A new version with a higher resolution is now available via Maritiem Digitaal. – Editør (talk) 10:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

It is bigger, but the resolution looks about the same as has previously been available to view from the same source. Also it's still not a free image. Nortonius (talk) 11:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

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