Talk:Melissa Rauch/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Husband

I have removed the section about her husband as unsourced. Various versions of this have been added:

• "Rauch resides in Los Angeles with her writing partner Winston Beigel, who at well over 6' height stands over a foot taller than Melissa."[1]
• "Since March 2012 - Melissa has been married to Winston Beigel, her stand-up comedy co-writer. as Shown HERE at YouTube"[2]
• "Melissa resides in Los Angeles, California, with her writing partner Winston Beigel, whom on March 2012 on Conan O'Brien she referred to as her husband."[3]

All of these cite a youtube clip from Conan.[4] However, the clip in question does not mention "well over 6' tall", "March 2012", "Los Angeles, California", "writing partner" or "Winston Beigel". I have tried to address this with the editor adding the material, User:Magickallwiz, with no success, other than one comment on my talk page stating "Melissa Rauch clearly answers 'yes' when Conan O'Brian says 'I've seen you with your husband and he is a lot taller than you'."[5] While this is in the clip, the details are not. Another editor, User:Frecklefoot, removed my failed verification tag saying, "it does say that."[6]. It does not. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The newest version states, "Melissa's Facebook page states she lives in Los Angeles. She lives with her husband - writing partner Winston Beigel. <ref>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1851981/bio</ref>"

IMDb, as a user edited site, is not a reliable source for biographical info.

Her Facebook page (assuming it is hers...) does state she lives in Los Angeles but does not mention her husband, his name or what he does. Additionally, the Facebook page was not cited. If you wish to add this info, please cite a reliable source that give the information. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Now we are told: "Rauch is married to Winston Beigel, her writing partner on The Miss Education of Jenna Bush and other projects."

The first source is the Conan clip. It states she is married. The second source tells us she wrote one thing with Beigetl. We do not have sources stating she is married to Beigel or that he is her "writing partner". - SummerPhD (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Husband reference fixed

I added references to draw the path. In the late night TV show clips Rauch says she's married. In an interview with a New Jersey entertainment publication she identifies her husband as her writing partner on the play about Jenna Bush. In the review of her play her writing partner is identified as Winston Biegel. Therefore, Rauch is married to Beigel.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmckern (talk • contribs) 18:27, 25 February 2013‎

That would be the definition of original research/ Per site policy WP:No original research, you need to find a source that actually states it, using a string a clues to come to a conclusion goes directly against that policy. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:53, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

(More specifically, please review the section at WP:SYN.) - SummerPhD (talk) 00:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Let's walk through this. WP:SYN (a section of WP:No original research) says, "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources." Source A says her husband co-wrote the Bush play. Source B says Biegel co-wrote the Bush play. Conclusion C (Biegel is her husband) is not allowed. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

You're missing a piece

Melissa Rauch says her husband was the co-writer of the play, which further identifies Winston Beigel as her husband. But I'm not going to continue to argue the point. I don't have a vested interest in this page one way or the other. I just happened to find husband's name and added it while I was working on something else. I'll make one more search to see if I can find an explicit source that leave no room for debate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmckern (talk • contribs) 21:31, 25 February 2013‎

Source A (Rauch) says her husband co-wrote the play. Source B says Beigel co-wrote the play. Conclusion C (Beigel is her husband) is synthesis. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Added details on husband

Larry Getlen, New York Post, "Screaming success: A loud family helped Melissa Rauch do a ‘Bang’-up job", http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/screaming_success_oPndAK1dNXZb9SMcqiKasJ, March 23, 2013: "...Rauch and her longtime writing partner — her then-boyfriend, now-husband Winston Beigel..."

Let's hope this ends the discussion. Billmckern (talk) 23:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

A reliable source that says what we are saying is what we needed. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Best known for

Saying Rauch is best known for her role on TBBT is perfectly fine, as she is most notable for that role. I'd like to seek some more input on this though. Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 04:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Calidum, that she is "best known" or "most notable" for a particular role is an opinion and unsourced, and even if it is correct it really isn't appropriate for you to revert an edit that wasn't vandalism with either a default edit summary or an accusation. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

"Best known for...", while theoretically WP:OR, is very, VERY widely used throughout the project. Its use, therefore, clearly represents the WP:CONSENSUS. If you feel there is a problem with this, you will need a wide consensus to change this project-wide. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:41, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

A tale of two Winstons

The New York Post states that Melissa Rauch is married to writer Winston Beigel.[7] Additionally, TV Guide confirms that Rauch was Melissa Rauch's last name at birth.[8] In 2005, Melissa Rauch was dating Winston Beigel.[9][10] On broadwayworld.com, writer Winston Beigel is still Winston Beigel.[11]

I see no reasonable challenge to these as reliable sources. It is verifiable that Melissa Rauch's husband is Winston Beigel. Unless there are reasonable challenges to these sources or reliably sourced explanations that Winston Beigel changed his name recently, this material, IMO, remains in the article.

We also have repeated claims that Melissa Rauch is married to "Winston Rauch". Given that we know Melissa Rauch was born with that last name and was relatively recently dating Winston Beigel, it would be a remarkable coincidence if she broke up with Winston Beigel and began dating someone with her ex-boyfriend's first name and her (uncommon) last name. Instead, we would need Winston Beigel to have changed his last name, the New York Post to have screwed it up, TV Guide to have screwed it up and broadwayworld.com to be ignoring requests from their client to update his name. Oh, and the Associated Press is also still making this same mistake.[12] Ditto Getty Images[13], funnyordie.com (who they both perform for)[14], amazon.com[15]

In support of this latter theory, we have a fan's sharing site that doesn't mention the name "Winston Rauch"[16] and a newspaper from somewhere in Ohio (I couldn't determine where).[17] The fan sharing site, so far as I can determine, is a self-published source. It is not a reliable source. This leaves the newspaper from somewhere in Ohio which reports that Melissa Rauch and her husband "Winston Rauch" wrote The Bronze... which other sources credit to Melissa Rauch and her husband Winston Beigel.[18][19] Oh, and Melissa Rauch thinks she's married to Winston Beigel.[20]

So, as far as reliable sources go, we have a newspaper from somewhere in Ohio verses the New York Post, the Associated Press, a few other sources and, lest we forget, Melissa Rauch. Honestly, it seems the Ohio newspaper made a simple mistake. If there are reliable sources giving his name as "Winston Rauch", we would likely give both names, unless sources are clearly superior for one over the other, as is currently the case. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I have already read this talk, and it is clear that numerous reliable sources say Beigel. Yet my change is reverted by a Beigel supporter no less. So I must ask, how much talking must be done before taking any action? IMDB says Beigel, AP says Beigel. What is the hesitation to change to Beigel? Maybe I'm missing something ErdoS (talk) 16:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'd thought FreeRangeFrog's note on this talk page was a bit clearer than it is. At the top of the page -- argh! -- FRF has added a note for an OTRS item that resolves this issue. We have received confirmation that Winston Beigel has changed his name to Winston Rauch. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

That. Is. Hiiiiilarious. Glad I came here, thanks. ErdoS (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Really? I think it's pretty clear her husband is named Winston Beigel (I don't know how the NYPost and the AP, etc., aren't relilable sources‽). Apparently User:SummerPhD is the sole (good faith) arbiter of WP:RS and WP:V for this article. Whatever. I have no dog in the hunt. (I just thought it odd, clicked the reference link, saw the name Beigel, corrected what I thought was an error.) But for the editors that do care, I'd suggest taking the issue to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard or another of the Wikipedia:Noticeboards for resolution. TuckerResearch (talk) 02:26, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

As mentioned above, we have confirmation for "Winston Rauch". Please see the OTRS link just above the table of contents on this page. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see the OTRS. Why not, to prevent such issues, emend the line at hand to: "Rauch is married to writer Winston Rauch (the former Winston Beigel), who collaborated with her on The Miss Education of Jenna Bush and other projects." Seems a reasonable solution. TuckerResearch (talk) 18:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

"...married to Winston Rauch (né Beigel)..."? - SummerPhD (talk) 05:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

That could work too. (I see from the history page that you've had to revert many times over this issue. And hopefully this will cut down on that. [I wish there was a better source than the OTRS. Hopefully there will be one soon.]) TuckerResearch (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

See diff? I think the change should be made. TuckerResearch (talk) 21:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)