Talk:Members of the 1st Dáil

UK Parliament and 1st Dáil constituencies

All the constituencies in Ireland, used for the 1918 general election, have the dual character of being UK Parliament constituencies and Dáil constituencies. I have set up stub articles for all the UK Parliament constituencies in Ireland 1801-1922 and I am gradually filling up the contents. I have done most of the Dublin seats so far.

I presume we really need seperate articles for each kind of constituency. The information is likely to be similar, at least for those seats which were newly created in 1918, but not absolutely identical. Trying to combine both kinds of seat in one constituency article is going to cause confusion.

It is no doubt a little artificial to have say Dublin Clontarf (UK Parliament constituency), when its Sinn Féin MP never went to Westminster and Antrim East (Dáil Éireann constituency) when the Unionist TD would have wanted nothing to do with the Dáil. However I do not see a way around it. Each person elected had the choice of which body he or she joined, so every area was a potential constituency for both bodies.

I will attempt to convert my Dublin Parliament articles to Dáil ones. I see the Oireachtas web-site list of 1st Dáil members puts compass points after county names, instead of before (which was the official way the UK referred to county divisions). I will therefore follow this Irish source for the Dáil constituency articles. I am less keen on putting the name of borough divisions in brackets after the borough name, so I will not do that. I will follow the Oireachtas in which seats should have City or County after the name. There were fewer opportunities for confusion in 1918 than in earlier distributions of seats, so that should not be too controversial. --Gary J 23:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

By-elections

There were a number of by-elections for seats in Ireland during the 1918-22 UK Parliament. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_by-elections_(1918%E2%80%931931)#31st_Parliament_.281919.E2.80.931922.29

31st Parliament (1919–1922)
By-election	Date	Incumbent	Party		Winner	Party		Cause
North Down	21 July 1922	Henry Hughes Wilson		UUP	John Morrow Simms		UUP	Death
North Londonderry	4 June 1922	Hugh Thom Barrie		UUP	Malcolm Macnaghten		UUP	Death
North Down	21 February 1922	Thomas Watters Brown		UUP	Henry Hughes Wilson		UUP	Appointed to the High Court of Northern Ireland
West Down	17 February 1922	Thomas Browne Wallace		UUP	Hugh Hayes		UUP	Appointed Chief Clerk to the High Court of Northern Ireland
South Londonderry	18 January 1922	Robert Chichester		UUP	Sir William Hacket Pain		UUP	Death
South Londonderry	29 August 1921	Denis Henry		UUP	Robert Chichester		UUP	Appointed Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland
Mid Down	2 July 1921	James Craig		UUP	Robert Sharman-Crawford		UUP	Elected Prime Minister of Northern Ireland
Mid Armagh	23 June 1921	James Rolston Lonsdale		UUP	Henry Bruce Armstrong		UUP	Death
Belfast Duncairn	23 June 1921	Edward Carson		UUP	Thomas Edward McConnell		UUP	Appointed Lord of Appeal in Ordinary
North Down	23 June 1921	Thomas Watters Brown		UUP	Thomas Watters Brown		UUP	Appointed Solicitor-General for Ireland
West Down	23 June 1921	Daniel Martin Wilson		UUP	Thomas Browne Wallace		UUP	Appointed Recorder of Belfast
Dublin University	28 July 1919	Arthur Warren Samuels		Irish Unionist	William Morgan Jellett		Irish Unionist	Appointed to the Irish High Court
East Antrim	27 May 1919	Robert Chaine Alexander McCalmont		Irish Unionist	George Boyle Hanna		Independent Unionist	Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards
North Londonderry	4 March 1919	Hugh Alfred Anderson		Irish Unionist	Hugh Thom Barrie		Irish Unionist	Resignation

In Republican theory, were those elected at by-elections prior to the dissolution of the First Dail in May 1921 considered members/potential members of the Dail, in the same way as those elected to the same constituencies at the 1918 election had been? Presumably, when Patrick McGilligan of Sinn Fein fought the North Londonderry by=election on 4th March 1919 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Londonderry_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections), he would have elected to sit in the Dail if he had been successful?

If so, would it make sense to add those who won by-elections prior to that dissolution as potential members of the Dail? Alekksandr (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)