Talk:Menahem (disambiguation)

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was merged. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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I propose to merge Menachem into Menahem (disambiguation). I think that there is no need to have two separate dab pages for what is only a slight variation in the transliteration of the exact same Hebrew name "מנחם". The two spellings are for the most part interchangeable, so it would be perfectly appropriate to begin with the text: Menahem or Menachem... As to the question of which of these spellings should be deemed primary, while occurrences of both are pretty much evenly distributed (the most famous contemporary bearer of the name, Menachem Begin, notwithstanding) I point the reader to the pertinent policy at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew)#Consonant table (see line 8 in the chart for the relevant letter regarding this discussion - "ח") which dictates that the letter "c" should be dropped. StonyBrook (talk) 22:33, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support merge per nom. The disambiguation pages are not inordinately large by any stretch and the context of Menachem can be easily explained in the context of Menahem (disambiguation). WP:DABCOMBINE allows for this, and I propose that we update the bolded Lede to say something like, "Menahem/Menachem may refer to..." Doug Mehus T·C 22:55, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Support merge, but prefer "Menahem or Menachem" ... to "Menahem/Menachem ...". Is there a WP convention on this? - BobKilcoyne (talk) 05:47, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

MOS:DABINT supports "Menahem or Menachem". Leschnei (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Leschnei and BobKilcoyne, that works for me. That was just a proposed draft for the Lede. Doug Mehus T·C 14:00, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support merge Leschnei (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support merge per nom. Moving variant spellings of this name into one place will help readers.

Menahem is a clear WP:PTOPIC under criterion #2.

Which variant should take precedence? It really doesn't matter. All that matters is that readers should be able to find what they are looking for as easily as possible. That's what redirects are for. Compare my argument at Talk:Altay#Merger proposal, from 2018.

NB if the merger is made, Menahem (disambiguation) should be recategorised from {{hndis}} to {{dab|hndis|given name}}. Narky Blert (talk) 00:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Suggest merger should now go ahead. BobKilcoyne (talk) 15:46, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
•  Done I have boldly completed the merge, and retargeted Menachem (disambiguation) to this article, but now should Menachem itself be redirected to Menahem, instead of here, because there are numerous individuals who would render the king name in its alternate form; or should it be redirected to the dab page, which is the catch-all for this name? I would welcome other opinions about this. StonyBrook (talk) 22:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for going ahead. On your redirection query, I don't have a firm view either way, so I'd be inclined to leave things as they are currently. BobKilcoyne (talk) 02:04, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I am leaning toward redirecting to Menahem, as we would any other person's alternate name spelling. There is an additional benefit going with this target, in that it also explains the etymology, if that was the intention of the reader. If they happen to be interested in other Menachems, of course there will be a hatnote. StonyBrook (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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