Talk:Mental health nursing

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APRN

The Advanced Practice Registered Nurses (APRN) is not accurate or at least not in the US. The title is ARNP [1] Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner and I interact with them occasionally in my profession but have included a link for verification.--Dakota ~ ° 07:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Correction

The title "Advanced Practice Registered Nurse" is a correct title granted to graduate prepared registered nurses majoring in an advanced practice role who successfully pass the American Nurse's Credentialing Center (ANCC) Examination to earn board certification as an Advanced Practice Registered Nurse (APRN). The term "Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner" or ARNP, is a licensing designation used by some State Boards of Nursing to designate a nurse as a nurse practitioner. The difference is that one term indicates advanced practice board certification by an accrediting body (ANCC) while the other term refers to a designation or license as a nurse practitioner in certain States. 199.91.34.33 17:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)MDS

Patient, person or client

This is an ongoing debate, certainly in mental health nursing in UK. I have changed the recent edits adding patient back to person as this is, in my view, a less loaded term. Patient infers medical model, which is not the model that all nurses work in or people with mental health problems wish to be nursed by. Person is, though, ambiguous so I have reworded to person in care but this is rather long. There is also the term service user to consider. Happy to debate this one until we reach a consensus. --Vince 13:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Rated article

I have assessed this article as top importance with a start quality. I think there is still substantial material to be added and that psychiatric nursing is an internationally notable phenomenon. However, please debate/amend if you disagree. --Vince 10:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed that Wikiproject Medicine has put this as a B class. I think that is a bit generous as there is still a substantial amount of material to be added, so I will promote only to C class for the nursing project. --Vince (talk) 12:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Nursing WikiProject and some suggested changes

G'day Vince and others watching this page. I'm trying to stir up some renewed interest in WP:NURSE and am doing the rounds of various nursing articles. I was wondering, what would you think about Psychiatric nursing as a redirect to Mental health nursing, rather than the current arrangement where psych nursing and mental health nursing redirect to this combined title? I find that the term Psychiatric nursing is much less prevalent these days, and Mental health nursing is quite an inclusive term for the various disciplines (forensic psych and child psych, for example).

I propose the current mental health nursing redirect be deleted, the Psychiatric and mental health nursing article be renamed "Mental Health Nursing", and the redirect be kept from Psychiatric nursing. Welcome your comments! Cheers, Basie (talk) 09:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

• edits for clarity Basie (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I do have some views about the name change.

• The name of the article is currently cumbersome

However...

• Some people argue that the terms mental health nursing and psychiatric nursing actually shouldn't be used interchangeably, as mental health nursing refers more to health promotion and tends to be in the social model of healthcare, whereas psychiatric nursing refers to nurses who are operating more in the medical model, responding to illness.
• To name the page mental health nursing may not be appropriate as it would indicate that it is referring to one type of nursing and not the other. Also, a lot of people still refer to the profession as psychiatric nursing.
• On the other hand, nurses tend to qualify and register as mental health nurses and should be referred to as such

On balance I would prefer mental health nursing to psychiatric nursing, if I had to choose. Would be interested in others' views on this. --Vince (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I'd chose that too, but I take your point. Some registrations were as "registered psychiatric nurse", for example, at least in my country. I'm sure the terms vary around the world too. To me, "mental health" is the more inclusive term, but then I've just finished arguing on another page that we should use "pediatric" instead of "child health nursing"! Difficult. Other opinions welcome. Cheers, Basie (talk) 11:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Not in the UK. A mental health nurse is a mental health nurse, dealing with illnesses and health promotion - there is no role distinction between those aspects, they are part of the same role. I work in forensic mental health nursing; I deal with personality disorders, psychosis, OCD, and anxiety and mild-to-moderate depression. I carry out health promotion work in all of those areas as well as delivering CBT and psychosocial interventions. I am a Registered Mental Health Nurse, not a Registered Psychiatric Nurse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.155.233 (talk) 07:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Australians in the profession use the title mental health nurse, as in Australian College of Mental Health Nurses Tradimus (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

In Canada we are all registered as 'Registered Psychiatric Nurses';however, it is not uncommon for psychiatric and mental health nurses to be refferred to as PMHN's (Psychiatric Mental Health Nurses). Perhaps a better title for the page would be 'Psychiatric Mental Health Nursing' in that case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebsig132 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:NURSE priority check

I have rated this article as 'mid' importance according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nursing/Assessment#Importance_scale. If you disagree, please leave a note here so we can discuss it. Cheers, Basie (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

New history section

This section is a helpful addition. However, on the critical side:

• I think it is a bit too long, Could it be condensed?
• I think that Hildegard Peplau is worth a mention
• It concentrates a lot on the history in the USA. Could it be internationalized?

Looking forward to hearing people's thoughts on the manner.

--Vince (talk) 08:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I know your comment here is old, but I think you still keep watch on this page? Hopefully, you or someone else will read this.

I think the history section has a few problems but I don't think it's one of length. Indeed, if this section could be sufficiently developed one could create a new article called the "history of psychiatric nursing".

There are a number of anachronisms in the article. Not least the reference to medieval hospitals as psychiatric hospitals. One might call them specialist hospitals but they were not psychiatric hospitals. Psychiatry is a discipline with a specific history and body of knowledge. It's birth dates from the late 18th century, but it was not formed until the mid-19th century. I'm going to propose removing terms such as psychiatric hospital or community health nursing. These are modern concepts. I'd use specialist hospital or some such phrase instead of psychiatric hospital.

The focus of the history section is incorrect, I think. It gives an institutional history rather than a professional history. It could, as a preamble, talk about some historical antecedents and patterns of care in and outside institutions prior to the birth of the asylum but the focus should surely be on the creation of psychiatric nursing as a profession. Therefore there should be greater treatment of the creation of psych nurse unions, psych education and certification, rates of pay, strikes, relationships with patients, etc, and in countries other than the U.S. .FiachraByrne (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikiproject Medicine Banner

The scope of the wikiproject medicine includes an interest in healthcare professions. The banner does not appear on the talk page for the article "Nursing". I wonder if the interest amounts to active contribution on this article? Is the banner a form of disruptive over-tagging? [[2]] I would argue that that most mental health nurses are subject to seperate licensing, administration and education faculties. I feel that the article is remote from medicine to a degree that does not warrant the banner. Mental Health nurses are not generally doctors and vice versa. There are articles where the banner certainly belongs. There is a risk that such a banner could be mistaken for evidence that the article contains weighty medico-legal opinion. I welcome the collaboration of doctors and the right of wikipedia to define scope, but I think the banner suggests a relationship between medicine and mental health nursing professions not reflected in western society. 167.30.56.22 (talk) 02:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Could someone address the reason why psychiatric nurses are so mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.224.248 (talk) 13:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Unsourced

The following is unsourced and the one ref here is an insecure link to an advocacy organization

Organization of mental health care

Psychiatric mental health nurses work in a variety of hospital and community settings.

People generally require an admission to hospital, voluntarily or involuntarily if they are experiencing a crisis- that means they are dangerous to themselves or others in some immediate way. However, people may gain admission for a concentrated period of therapy or for respite. Despite changes in mental health policy in many countries that have closed psychiatric hospitals, many nurses continue work in hospitals though patient length of stay has decreased significantly.

Community Nurses who specialize in mental health work with people in their own homes (case management) and will often emphasize work on mental health promotion. Psychiatric mental health nurses also work in rehabilitation settings where people are recovering from a crisis episode and where the aim is social inclusion and a return to living independently in society. These nurses are sometimes referred to as community psychiatric nurses (the term psychiatric has been retained, but is being gradually replaced with the title "Community Mental Health Nurse" or CMHN)).

Psychiatric mental health nurses also work in forensic psychiatry with people who have mental health problems and have committed crimes. Forensic mental health nurses work in adult prisons, young offenders' institutions, medium secure hospitals and high secure hospitals. In addition forensic mental health nurses work with people in the community who have been released from prison or hospital and require on-going mental health service support.

People in the older age groups who are more prone to dementia tend to be cared for apart from younger adults. Admiral Nurses are specialist dementia nurses, working in the community, with families, carers and supporters of people with dementia. The Admiral Nurse model was established as a direct result of the experiences of family carers. The Admiral nurse role is to work with family carers as their prime focus, provide practical advice, emotional support, information and skills, deliver education and training in dementia care, provide consultancy to professionals working with people with dementia and promote best practice in person- centred dementia care.

Psychiatric mental health nurses may also specialize in areas such as drug and alcohol rehabilitation, or child and adolescent mental health.

References

--Jytdog (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 28 December 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved -- Aervanath (talk) 20:32, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Psychiatric and mental health nursing → Mental health nursing – Wrong use of a logical operator. It is "Mental health nursing" OR "Psychiatric health nursing" (either rename would be fine, please leave a redirect from one to the other). "Psychiatric AND Mental health nursing" is just inaccurate. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:40, 28 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Jerm (talk) 21:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

• Not sure I understand the premise of this RM. @Marcocapelle: could you elaborate on why you think the current title is inaccurate? It looks like this conjunction is used in some of the cited sources. e.g. we cite a journal article titled "What do people need psychiatric and mental health nurses for?". Colin M (talk) 20:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

• @Colin M: most sources (like the ones mentioned in the references in the article) either use the term "Mental health nursing" or use the term "Psychiatric health nursing", but they hardly ever use "Psychiatric and mental health nursing". Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

• Operator logic isn't overly relevant to natural language. That being said, a concise name that is equally descriptive and more common is definitely preferable to the current name. -- Xurizuri (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I should clarify - I think Mental health nursing is concise yet equally descriptive and more common, and hence preferable to the current name. --Xurizuri (talk) 09:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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