Talk:Mercedes-Benz CLK LM/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 13:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Prose

Lede

• CLK LM (C298) - what does this mean? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done This refers to the internal chassis code, for example Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W221). I have replaced it with CLK LM (chassis code C298). 98 refers to the year of competition, and the 2 prefix is generally affixed to Mercedes' sportscar racers, such as the Mercedes-Benz C291 (sports car built for 1991 WSC season). If you'd like me to remove, that is also possible, but most articles about Mercedes Benzes have this. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Group GT1 sports car - WP:SEAOFBLUE. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• (a then independent company) - no need Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:25, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• singular road-legal - that makes it read like a single car was produced Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

  This is correct, there is only a single road-legal car in existence. Although, would you like me to change it two, seeing as how one was destroyed for crash-testing purposes? X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

  I think it's a little ambigious. What about "only one road-legal car"? As I think it could be read as a type of car, or an actual single car. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 21:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• built to homolgate the car - is that the right link? Seems unlikely Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done Piped link fixed. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• I feel like the lede should mention why it was replaced. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Do we need the flags per WP:INFOBOXFLAG? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

  Infobox flag gives exception to Examples of acceptable exceptions include infobox templates for military conflicts and infoboxes including international competitions, although the documentation for {{Infobox racing car}} does not use a flag for the constructor/team entrant. I'll remove that.  Done. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:14, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

General

• Link terms on first usage even if they are linked in the lede.(see Mercedes, AMG etc). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:29, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• for Mercedes' own, the LS600 - is this relevant? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

  Yeah, I think it is. Fitting a car with bodywork is one thing, fitting it with your own engine is another. Take a look at the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, which actually started off as a TVR Cerbera (it is not mentioned in the article but is a very-well known "fact" within the community, you can look the photos up yourself). Bodywork and powertrain to me, is the most significant part of the car and I reckon it is WP:DUE. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• Not part of the GA criteria, but I always think it's wise to reorder refs that are out of order: 108B.[10][9][11] Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• When talking about chassis, you use "#". Is that suitable usage? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

  Unfortunately, there is a dearth of standards when writing racing car articles. It is generally accepted however, to use a consistent identifier throughout a single article, whether that be No. or a # to signify car numbers. You can see the variation across articles, Chaparral 2F (which I wrote too) uses No., whereas Porsche 917 uses #. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• (LMGTP) - you never use this abbreviation again in the article, so no need to define it. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done. I assume you mean remove the bracketed abbreviation, so I've removed it. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• You really don't need the infobox for the road car. It's a big no-no for me. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

  Alright. Sad to see it go, but it is what it is.  Done. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• You don't need the bold text in the body. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

   Done I assume you mean the mention of the road car in the lead. Removed. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• The key should probably be transcribed, not just linked too. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

   Not done This is standard practice with Formula One articles, however, their key is collapsible, and ours is not. Is there also some way so we can get the table and the key on the same line (i.e. not have them on top of each other?) I am not too well-versed in markup, perhaps you would know how to do this. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:22, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

  I have made a change, see what you think. I don't think it wise to make someone click off a page to understand what's on this one. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

• The only remaining point I have - where are the race results tables sourced too? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Lee Vilenski the race results table is sourced to each individual article. Although, I can compile a list of sources. Personally, I think that just clutters the table, but I can do it if you would like me to. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 18:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, cross referencing like that isn't suitable. Is there not a list of results per season or anything out there? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski for lots of these cars, unfortunately, no. There are amateur databases, and some databases where you must select an individual race, rather than a car. racingsportscars.com is a USERG database (which personally I consider to be highly reliable) that is contributed by people who either personally saw the races or have paper copies of the results sheet. I might be able to dig up a season result from there. I'll see what I can do. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 19:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

  Hi Lee Vilenski, thank you for your comments. I'll address them shortly & I'll see if I can return the favour. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.