Talk:Merseyside Skeptics Society

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Rewrite

I am currently working on a rewrite of this article. My work in progress can be found at User:MrBill3/draft_article_MSS. MrBill3 (talk) 01:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Awesome, I'll give it a look tomorrow and see if I can help with it at all. Samwalton9 (talk) 01:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

The rewrite at the link above is ready to be posted as the article pending comment. - - MrBill3 (talk) 13:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The rewrite pasted over the article contained contributions from multiple editors, see edit history of User:MrBill3/draft_article_MSS (added to maintain license per WP:Copy). 70.46.120.175 (talk) 07:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

The history was merged as per the discussion below. Samwalton9 (talk) 12:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Merseyside Skeptics Society/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dynamicimanyd (talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

This article is in my opinion a good article. It is well written with good spelling and grammar, consistent formatting and is cleanly organised. It is factual, well cited, has a neutral point of view and adequate citation in describing the society's activities (some of which involve areas that engender heated debate, where statements from the opposing viewpoint have been summarised and factual outcome has been mentioned (e.g. in section Sports wristband test, spokesman & director's comments/statements are reffered to with reference to Liverpool Echo news article) and has no inline tags for improvement and does not appear to warrant any such tags. The article uses specific cited quotations to describe relevant matters of opinion and intent that might otherwise appear to be original work or opinion from the editors of the article (e.g. History second paragraph (skeptic versus sceptic), Podcasts/Be Reasonable (hosts described their show as...)).

The article also provides a relevant home for suitably brief but referenced information about the conference QED: Question, Explore, Discover (sometimes referred to as QEDcon, and a search for that term does find a nearby section of this article). QEDcon may in future years establish suitable notability for a separate page, similar to The Amazing Meeting, but for now this seems to be sufficient coverage.

I have also tried various search terms, such as "QEDcon" and "Mersey sceptics" using various spellings, and Wikipedia search provides relevant results in those cases.

The Lead section meets all the criteria and includes ample cross-reference links to relevant Wikipedia articles, albeit no external citations at that point. It's clear, brief, neutral and provides a reasonable summary.

There appears to be no original research, maintaining neutrality and reliance on reliable sources with sufficient attribution of quotations.

The level of detail is sufficient but not excessive, with further information available from referenced sources.

The article maintains a neutral point of view and describes potentially controversial or contentious subject with attributed quotes without expressing an unattributed opinion.

There do not appear to be any edit wars.

The MSS logo has an appropriate logo fair use rationale. An appropriate number of photographs are included, all taken at relevant venues with free licenses and the appearance of being own work, as claimed in those licenses.

It is pretty clear that this is written in the style typical of a Wikipedia article, with virtually no likelihood of copyright violation. Quotations are short and attributed, so would not constitute infringement.

Verification of citations, as numbered on 2013-07-29 21:29 UT.

• 1. Own website, simply giving date of foundation.
• 2. Liverpool Echo, reputable city newspaper - still on their website.
• 3. I have verified details with Companies House website company search.
• 4. The Guardian newspaper - still in web archive - quote is accurate.
• 5. Website - frequency of meetings is not contentious, accords with information I've heard repeatedly, so a more 'reliable source' not required.
• 6. Own website, non-contentious, much verified by speakers via twitter in the past, some released as Youtube videos.
• 7. Open letter the Boots on own website and same on Richard Dawkins' website.
• 8. The Daily Telegraph newspaper - still in web archive.
• 9. BBC Online - reliable source.
• 10. BBC News Online & New Scientist - reliable
• 11. The Independent / Associate Press - quote accurate
• 12. Medical Observer (Australia) & American Humanist - independent, believed reliable.
• 13. Blog hosted by The Guardian newspaper website. Non-controversial statement cited.
• 14. Liverpool Echo, still on website. Update of claims on Shuzi's UK website not explicitly mentioned in cited article.
• 15. Daily Mail online.
• 16. Skeptical Inquirer magazine, Nov/Dec 2012 - not available for me to verify. Correction, have found a link. http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_pseudoscience_of_live_blood_cell_analysis/ I'd suggest additionally citing [this Guardian article] written by Prof Edzard Ernst. I may amend the citation myself.
• 17. Guardian Online - Notes & Theories - Dispatches From the Science Desk - authored by MSS vice president, Michael Marshall but implicitly endorsed by The Guardian Science Desk/Science Editor.
• 18. Liverpool Echo, Telegraph and Guardian citations - all reliable sources.
• 19. Daily Telegraph article & New Humanist article
• 20. Guardian - 2 articles by Prof French (academic involved in test) and Michael Marshall (MSS vp, also involved in the challenge). Both factual and presumably endorsed by the Guardian's Science Editor and in accord with coverage I heard on The Pod Delusion podcast, including interviews with the participants.
• 21. Mail Online, BBC Online
• 22. BBC Online, correctly quoted.
• 23. BBC Online, correctly quoted.
• 24. Guardian online, correctly quoted.
• 25. Own website - accurately quoted plus blog plus Ormskirk & Skelmersdale Advertiser newspaper.
• 26. Own website - just a list of three podcasts, all of which they publish at time of review.
• 27. Cited episode one of own podcast, Skeptics With A K (Tues 28 Jul 2009)
• 28. Accurately cited interview website.
• 29. As above plus podcast episode cited as example.
• 30. As 29, and I recall this episode well, including the reveal the following week.
• 31. Links to the specific episodes and a web article about them.
• 32. Link to first episode.
• 33. Own site, archive of episodes. Might help to indicate sporadic nature of inKredulous podcast episodes.
• 34. Daily Telegraph online.
• 35. Link to first episode.
• 36. Wrong link to InKredulous podcast episodes - I will correct this to Be Reasonable episode list.
• 37. MSS and GMSS websites. Accurately cited. Non controversial.
• 38. Hampshire Skeptics Society review of both days of QEDcon 2011 accurately cited.
• 39. Skeptical Inquirer - accurately quoted.
• 40. Richard Dawkins website accurately quoted.
• 41. Paper citation of The Skeptic / Deborah Hyde with link to their Wiki article, confirmed by Pod Delusion podcast and other podcast coverage.
• 42. AHS website. Non-controversial list of speakers and verified by twitter, podcasts etc. at the time.
• 43. Paper citation of The Skeptic, with interviews of winners on their website at time of review, and results confirmed by various skeptical podcasts (e.g. Pod Delusion, Token Skeptic)
• 44. Contact page of own website, non-controversial.

External links, just three, but the most relevant three.

In my opinion everything is of an approriate standard for Good Article status, subject to the minor corrections to the citations I mentioned above, which I will make immediately - making my first edit on this article. Dynamicimanyd (talk) 21:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

History merge

This is mostly directed at MrBill3 and Anthony Appleyard regarding the history merge. It seems as though Bill reverted the page back to the first draft that was copied to the article to speed up the process of a history merge, however this means that we lost all subsequent edits of which there were quite a few. Just wondering if this could be sorted in such a way that we have the most recent additions to the article whilst maintaining an accurate history for both draft and article spaces? Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves seems to suggest this is possible. I'm a little confused so if I've misunderstood the situation let me know. Samwalton9 (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I think I took care of it with a revert.MrBill3 (talk) 08:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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