Talk:Meryl Silverburgh/Archive 1

Archive 1

Disambiguation

I'd contend that the sheer fact that there are two characters that share the name doesn't neccesitate a disambig page. Practically all the links coming in will be for the MGS character, especially seeing as Policenauts never gained a wide release and a lot of people will have only heard of it because of the references within MGS. A quick look at what links here shows they're practically all MGS related. As is seen elsewhere in Wikipedia, when one of the subjects is notably more 'famous' than the other, the disambiguation page is rarely used unless there are a larger number of subjects sharing the same name. I'd suggest having this page for MGS Meryl, deleting Meryl Silverburgh (Metal Gear Solid) and retaining Meryl Silverburgh (Policenauts) for that character. - Hayter 10:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• I decided to merge the two, but have the article be mainly about the Metal Gear version of the character, with a small section about the Policenauts version. I did it more for the sake of expandibility for the Policenauts version, since it will remain a stub until someone decides to do a list of Policenauts characters article or something. Better to just have a small section within the MGS article for the moment. Jonny2x4 22:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• • And so you just ignored the poll on the matter? It's not that I'm hugely opposed and upset about such a merge given the stub-like nature of the relevant policenauts article, but the discussion was there for a reason, and I counted three against (counting Bread who split them in the first place), and only one for merging. What gives you the right to merge them over this discussion? An alternate argument could run that if the policenauts article couldn't stand alone, then it shouldn't be on Wikipedia. - Hayter 11:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • I was being bold when I did it. I didn't like how either pages were set up. There was no sense of introduction in either articles (as if expecting the reader to know who Meryl is beforehand) and the disambiguation page was way too vague to begin with. Of course, the original version of the article placed primary emphasis on the most obscure incarnation of the character, so I changed it for the better. I don't see any reason to remove the info about Policenauts Meryl. It's best to leave it there than to remove the info. Jonny2x4 20:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Meryl being Campbell's daughter?

As far as I know, Campbell only reveals that he was Meryl's father in the un-canonical "Meryl dies" ending.

Shouldn't the article then contain speculation on whether or not she canonically is Campbell's daughter rather than show it off as fact?

I'll add in a line or two reminding that she was only told to be Campbell's real daughter in the alternate ending. Village Baka 09:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Split/merge

This is silly. There's no need at all to have separate article for Policenauts characters, and the MGS section is far too long for a character appearing in one game.

This needs to have the plot summary drastically reduced, then each section merged into the List of recurring Metal Gear characters list and Policenauts, respectively. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

page needs more information

This page needs more information and orgins of meryl in metal gear solid and also in the spin-off games how she was used. I can't do this because of the fact i have not played the extensions for metal gear solid but know their is extras and other stuff on the internet with information about her.

What to be updated

MGS4, most of all (of course), but also Metal Gear Online, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, LittleBigPlanet, etc. --Niemti (talk) 16:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Also the merch. --Niemti (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Policenauts Meryl

According to Wikipedia's fiction guidelines: articles on fiction elements are expected to cover more about "real-world" aspects of the element, such as its development and reception, than "in-universe" details. Meryl Silverburgh was a character in Policenauts before she was one in Metal Gear Solid and dismissing that simple fact, goes against the whole point of covering fictional subjects from a real world perspective. I don't see anyone arguing why we shouldn't cover Solid Snake's appearances in Metal Gear: Ghost Babel and Metal Gear Acid in his article (since they're not set in the traditional MGS continuity), so I don't see why Meryl should be treated differently. Yes, Policenauts is set in a different universe from Metal Gear Solid, but at the same time there's too many similarities and common aspects to ignore. Otherwise, this article becomes just a plot summary for the games from Meryl's perspective. Jonny2x4 (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Nor here, in the main article or in the list of characters. This articles was re-created by me only earlier this year after 5 years of being a redirect, so no one is watching it. And way to miss the reception section (the most important thing in Wikipedia articles of this kind, along with character design content - if you want plot, you need to go to Wikia). --Niemti (talk) 12:53, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

What does the reception section has to do with your decision of not covering the Policenauts version of Meryl here? This article is in need of a dire cleanup anyway. Jonny2x4 (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

"My" decision? [1] Welcome to 2006. --Niemti (talk) 14:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and there is relation: nothing in the reception section is about Policenauts character. Anyway, I meant your stupid claim "this article becomes just a plot summary for the games from Meryl's perspective" when you somehow missed the whole reception section. In any case, the two are completely different unrelated characters (unlike the various Zeldas, for example, who are treated as one singular Zelda). I don't know what you mean by "a dire cleanup". --Niemti (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)