Talk:Houston Metro

Infobox

as per wiki guidlines, the infobox is for DAILY ridership numbers. its confusing and not standard for the infobox to say Daily ridership = 98,518,251 yearly. there is a reason on the saved page, after you have entered the proper number, it says DAILY RIDERSHIP! IAH777 —Preceding comment was added at 13:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment

The following comment was transferred from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Houston talk page to this talk page:

This sounds like a travel brosure for the City of Houston. The Houston Metro article should mention a few of the following. A) Metro board is not an elected board! It is chocked full of appointees of the Mayor (Bill White) and City Council. They are not accountable to anybody and spend tons tax payer dollars without any regard,they know they can just increase bus / train fair or vote for a greater portion of the tax payer subsidies. B) The Metro toy train is a waste of money! Metro decided to put it down already existing bus routes which didn't add any new riders, it simply just moved already existing bus riders on to a much much more expensive mode of transportation. C) Metro decided against running the toy train somewhere where it would be most affective like to either one of Houston's big airports, nope, they choose carving up freshly redone street's and rerouting traffic to tackle a much more pressing problem of how will homeless poeple get around through downtown streets (which most people avoid because downtown Houston sucks to navigate through) which caused a real conjestion night mare. D) Houston now leads the nation in train / vehicle accidents. Yep, Along w/ carving up busy downtown streets of Houston and usually taking a traffic lane (in both directions which further increases traffic) the train now zig-zags through the streets of Houston.It cuts through intersections, back and forth over streets,under freeways and through our medical center, which ironically helps since again we lead the nation in train and car accidents. Metro has it's own police force to issue citations to people who are unlucky enough to get hit by a train. It is always the fault of the driver, even when eye witness account's contradict Metro drivers. E) A vote was put to Houstonian's for the toy train to run down desolate West Park, it was approved. Now, Metro decides they don't want it down West park any more, they now want to run the toy train down much more congested Richmond Ave. Real estate down this ave. is much greater and businesses would be hurt by the snail's pace of construction and the sacrifice of lanes for this experiment. They refuse to allow Houstonians another vote of the matter for years now. F) Houston Metro has a history of snatching up real estate through eminate domain,(usualy real pieces of prime real estate) sitting on it for a while, then selling it to big corporation's or political cronies for big profit. G)The 10,000 sf building they were housed in didn't do much for them,so the Metro board decided a collosal $20 million dollar mansion was much more appropriate for the unaccountable board members of this city subsidized theives union. H) The toy train cannot operate in 3 inches of water. And recently (Oct. 2006), a rat chewed through some power cables and shut the whole system down for a day stranding thousands of Houstonians. Just brilliant.

I could go on, but I think I have made my point. When writing an article, especially for Wikipedia, balance should be the ideal. The above was written because the Metro article sounded like a sales add created by a marketing firm out of Nebraska. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.89.166.243 (talk • contribs) . By: Porkchop

While I disagree to a larger extent of what this person is saying, there are a few small points that need to be deleted to qualify it to have that darn tag removed. Otherwise, this a very good article.--Hourick 00:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixing the page

I have tried to fix the page. I added a lot more things. I looked at the DART page for suggestions, since they did it much better. The METRO page is now better than it was before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by XxTrillvillexX9 (talk • contribs).

Rating

I rate the new and improved METRO page (majority by me) an upgrade to A-Class! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by XxTrillvillexX9 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 26 October 2007

Metro bus fleet

there is not any mention on the type of buses (regular/articulated/hybrid!) on this page. it would be nice to get a comprehensive assesment of this issue. IAH777 —Preceding comment was added at 11:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

What is it that you propose? Pictures of a variety of buses that are used? I can snap pictures of a good portion of them, but I'm not knowledgeable of the specs of the buses themselves.--Hourick 13:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

different pics would by nice as well. i personally like MBTA's bus page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTA_Bus it doesn't have to be that detailed/set up as such if people feel its not warranted, but i am like you i am not knowlegeable on the buses but do think its imporatant to mention... IAH777 —Preceding comment was added at 12:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I was bored and scoured the net and found this: [1] and added a photo that was already uploaded for a different article! Now just need to get previous models and specs. I will try to do something to add and get better photos of the various buses.

METRO Bus Photos

Some more information on the METRO Bus would greatly be appreciated. Also, some bus shots wouldn't be too bad, either.

XxTrillvillexX9 21:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Ridership Numbers

Someone needs to seriously stop messing with the numbers. I am posting the right numbers from METRO's website, but someone keeps putting in 500,000.

XxTrillvillexX9 21:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

According to the parameter list and definitions at Template:Infobox Public transit, the ridership parameter is expressed as daily system ridership. I feel that adding annual ridership would be inconsistent with the intended infobox usage as well as the other public transit articles that use the infobox. Was the neutrality banner placed on the article because of this disagreement? Thanks, Postoak 04:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

yes the banner was placed on the article because of this disagreement. thank you for your input, and if this is agreed (Template:Infobox Public transit states that it is in daily ridership numbers) then it can be taken down.

IAH777 —Preceding comment was added at 15:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Messed Up

Whoever re-edited the page has made it really unorganized. METRO's page was just getting started and it wasn't time for an unannounced split yet. I'm starting to put everything back. Once more and more news is tagged on, then a split should happen. Whoever edited it left it in a mess.

-- XxTrillvillexX9 (talk) 21:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Date of Opening

I changed the date the date of opening to 2004 and found a source to include the fact that Houston was the largest city in the U.S. without transit. Whoever mentioned Los Angeles before I edited the section must have been missing alot of brain cells, since this has nothing to do with the article.

Section removed

This section was removed. I did not see how this trivia section improves the article in any way.

Metro in popular culture

• In the movie Misson Impossable 3, Ethan Hawk (Tom Cruise) tells his wife that he has to go to Houston because METRO is haveing a "public transpo confrence" to cover for accepting a mission.
• In the movie Rushmore, Max Fisher (Jason Schwartzman) is seen getting off a METRO bus.

Postoak (talk) 22:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

What is the topic?

What is the topic of this article? Is this article about…

…the transit operator, the company?

…the Houston HOV system?

…the Houston bus system?

…the Houston METRORail system?

…expansion of METRORail?

I've bolded what I believe this article should address. This article should emulate WMATA. Doing so would substantially reduce the size of this article and would require much merging, splitting, and reorganization of this article and the METRORail article along with the creation of several new articles. --Millbrooky (talk) 00:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Initial rail proposal

I found http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1989_671749 "Metro likely to stay the credibility course/Upper-echelon row seen in positive light" - Houston Chronicle - December 17, 1989 - Bill Coutler, C, 1 WhisperToMe (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

300's - Shuttles and Limited Routes & 402 QL Bellaire

I am planning to fix the description of route numbers, since it fails to list the shuttle and circulator routes: 313-326 and the 402 Quickline Bellaire. 257Townsen (talk) 06:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Shredding lawsuit

Metro seems to be getting itself in quite a bit of problems as of late, was wondering if the latest issue should eventually be included as it plays out. [2] --Hourick (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Chinese name

According to "德州簡訊." by the Epoch Times, the Chinese name of METRO is 休斯頓捷運 WhisperToMe (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Controversy and Criticism section

This section is getting to be a bit unwieldy, is there either a way to either condense it a bit more, get rid of some material that isn't that relevant, or perhaps should we just create a whole new page for that alone?--Hourick (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Since there wasn't a response last time, I'd thought I'd give it another shot. My suggestion is this: Create a entire page devoted to the various controversies on different Metro Pages so we can trim down the various articles a bit more. --Hourick (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Sources

• Casimir, Leslie. "Commute takes minutes in car but hours on Metro buses." Houston Chronicle. Thursday August 7, 2008.
  • Talks about how many people outside of the 610 Loop face long commutes
  • Officials said 89 South Park Circulator was canceled due to low ridership
• Mintz, Bill. "Council asks $68 million for streets to satisfy Metro funding promise." Houston Chronicle. Thursday February 19, 1987. Section 1, Page 16.
  • In 1987 METRO covered Houston, 14 other cities, and some unincorporated areas in Harris County
  • From its 1% sales tax it gets $160 million annually. About 2/3rds of the money is spent on operations, while the rest is used in capital projects
• Mintz, Bill. "Pride drives Metro improvement/Employee discipline, incentives boost transit performance." Houston Chronicle. Monday August 3, 1987. Section 1, Page 4.
• Pope, Tara Parker. "RIDING THE RAILS, '90S-STYLE/Old idea may get new push here." Houston Chronicle. Sunday November 17, 1991. C1.
  • About proposed commuter rail. Includes a bunch of proposed stations.
• Pope, Tara Parker. "Union calls Hungarian bus defective." Houston Chronicle. Friday May 3, 1991. A27.
  • Issues about a Hungarian-made bus that unions called defective
• Dunne, Melody L. "Route cancellation strands riders/Metro quits some streets, adds others." Houston Chronicle. Monday June 1, 1992. A1.

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Metro Rail Rolling Stock

I tried to update the rolling stock (addition of last paragraph about H3 only) today based on the Metro press release but the rest of the section may need to be updated as it appears out of date. I don't have the relevant knowledge to provide accurate information outside of the H3 press release though so I didn't try to bring information up to date. Maybe someone with knowledge can assist?

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Kashmere Transit Center

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Updated METRO Numbers

I've noticed a lot of outdated information here. METRO's most recent 2017 METRO FACTS sheet was released recently and contains the most up to date information. How do I go about editing the listing? I'm new to this so any help and advice is appreciated. For disclosure pruposes, METRO is my employer. JackTrades1954 (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Houston Metro. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Metropolitan Transit Authority of Harris County → Houston METRO – WP:COMMONNAME with natural disambiguation – Jadebenn (talk · contribs · subpages) 09:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 08:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Stylisation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Houston Metro: Necrothesp is correct that "Houston METRO" is inappropriate (per MOS:TM). But as a native Houstonian, I can concur that Houston Metro is the common name.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I won't oppose that. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Would also support this. Sorry for botching the stylization rules. – Jadebenn (talk · contribs · subpages) 10:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose "Houston Metro" is unwieldy and likely to cause confusion with the Metrorail. The national disambiguation is the official name, which we use for the vast majority of US transit agencies—compare Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority, also branded as "Metro", or San Francisco Municipal Railway, branded as "Muni". Conifer (talk) 14:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Also, I'm curious whether Houstonians call the agency "Houston Metro"—which seems reduplicative—or just "Metro". If it's the latter, we're faced with a choice between the titles of "Metro (Houston)" (ugly disambiguation) or "Houston Metro" (invented, not COMMONNAME). Conifer (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
    • @Conifer: I'd probably argue those other article names should be changed as well, but I don't really have a horse in that race. Nonetheless, there's plenty of precedent for a somewhat ambiguous common name over an incredibly precise but uncommon one. The article about the American space agency is located at NASA, not National Aeronautics and Space Administration to give one example. – Jadebenn (talk · contribs · subpages) 10:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
      • But unlike "Metro", NASA is unambiguous. So unlike here, there's no trade-off between the common name and having a naturally-disambiguated title. Conifer (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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METRO Style

METRO capitalizes its entire short-hand name rather than saying Metro. The article should use the same capitalization style of "METRO" to avoid public confusion and make it easier to identify the article as talking about the transit agency rather than the geographic region. Hero49states (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ridership data

I noticed someone removed the annual ridership column from the route table. May someone explain why it was deleted so I can understand better? Ex696 (talk) 07:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)