Talk:Metropolitan municipalities in Turkey

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The source of the article is the state statistics institute. (tuik) But the number of metropolitan centers and the districts within each center is increasing. ( For instance in 1984 there were only three centers and a total of 22 districts within the centers.) So the article may need some additions or changes in the near future. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Flag ?

A flag icon in the first sentence is unnecessary and I can't find any reason to use it. In interwikis (i.e. Portuguese wikipedia) flag isn't used. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 07:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

There is no reason the delete the flag unless it is a wrong flag. And the user in Porteguese Wikipedia is not my tutor. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 03:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Metropolitan center ?

Are Metropolitan area or metropolitan municipality common use ? Takabeg (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

They don't mean the same thing. One refers the urban area and the second refers to local administration. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

"Metropolitan centers" is clearly Wiki invention. What do you think about "Metropolitan areas in Turkey" ? Takabeg (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Metropolitan center is Turkish: Büyükşehir. The word used in English is greater like "Geeater New York". So it is possible to name Greater Ankara, Greater İzmir etc. But when used as an article topic, I couldn't find a more appropriate word than Metropolitan center. (Great city is not the equivant.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I suggest "Big Cities of Turkey". As a middle-aged middle class English man I would not find that too informal. But if you want more formal than "big" or to indicate that size may not be the only criteria I suggest "Major Cities of Turkey". Jzlcdh (talk) 17:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Population?

I see the population figures are based on the National Address Database. But is that accurate? How likely is it that many people have moved into the big cities but not registered their change of address? And if so will the matter be resolved by the 2010 census and when would those figures be available? In any case it looks ridiculous to quote population figures to single digits as the margin of error must be in the hundreds or thousands surely. Jzlcdh (talk) 17:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Of course the population figures are never static. In most countries and cities the figures are on the rise and in case of super cities like the İstanbul even the daily rise may exceed several hundred. But in the articles the latest census data is given. ( See the info boxes of Paris and London.) The figures used in this article are the figures of the latest census data of 2009. When the newer figures will be release, the article will also be editted. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Districts

Includes a metropolitan municipality in Turkey only the urban parts (or district centers) of the districts, or is the rural parts (villages and so on) also a part of the metropolitan municipality? I ask because the Turkish Statistical Institute exclude the village population in their list of population of metropolitan municipalities.--Pjred (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Local government

As much explanation as there is in the article, it's still not exactly clear what these are. Are metropolitan municipalities consolidated local and provincial governments? Do metropolitan municipalities still have a second-tier of local municipalities, or do the districts lose their power? How do these differ from just regular, old provinces? It really needs to be made clear that these are "cities" (local governments) as it's understood in most parts of the world. Not only do these "municipalities" seem to include urban areas and their suburbs, but they also seem to include vast areas of nearly empty lands some of which may have little economic connection with the central urban area. When populations are give for large "cities" in Turkey, is it for the entire "metropolitan municipality", just the urbanized districts within these metropolitan municipalities, or the urban area regardless of district and municipal boundaries? --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:02, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The main difference is that in metropolitan municipality the district municipalities are considered as subordinates of the metropolitan municipality. In other provinces all municipalities (province center, district center etc.) are independent of each other. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:05, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but when populations are given for "cities" in Turkey, particularly in the metropolitan municipalities, what exactly is the population for? The entire province/metropolitan municipality, a statistical collection of urban districts within the province/metropolitan municipality, or the urban area? --Criticalthinker (talk) 14:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

That's the problem. In some provinces the center city is big and the population of the center city make up as much as 90% of the province population (like İstanbul, İzmir ) But in some cases the center city is a small city and most of the population live in other cities or towns of the province (Like Muğla and Mardin). The law only defines the population of the province (750000) and not the population of the center city. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually, doing some more research on metropolitan municipalities, I see that on the page for Samsun Province, which is a metropolitan municipality, they do make a distinction between the metropolitan municipality and what they call the Samsun municipality comprising the districts of Ilkadim, Canik, Atakum, and Tekkekoy. Is it simply that the provincial page is out of date and those districts are what used to be Samsun city/municipality? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all of this. I have an additional question, how many levels of government are possible in a metropolitan municipality, and how many are possible in a regular province? From as far as I can tell, in a metropolitan municipality, it's equal in status to a province. Below that are subordinate metropolitan districts (which can be urban or rural), and I believe that is it. For provinces, it seems you can have districts, and within and subordinate to those town and city municipalities (which can either be capital or not capital). Is there a vertical way in a chart or map this could be explained? Maybe even just given an example of each? --Criticalthinker (talk) 17:07, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Quite simple, in a metropolitan municipaliy there is one metropolitan municipality responsible for the province and there are also a number of subordinate district municipalities. In other provinces, in addition to center city municipality there are district center municipalities and small town (belde ) municipalities (independent of each other). There are are also governors who are responsible chiefly in security. (Vali or governor for each province and kaymakam or subgovernor for each district) both in metropolitan municipality provinces and also in other provinces. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

What is the difference between a "center city" municipality and a "district center" municipality? Can you give an example of each within the same province? --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

None: Except for metropolitan municipalities there is no difference between the two. (Center city is more or less the capital of the province but the modifier center is only meaningful for the governors and it has nothing to do with the municipalities.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I think I may now what's confusing me - and what could be made more clear. Districts are administrative subdivisions, while municipalities are not necessarily. What gets confusing is it seems government reform has meant that a lot of municipalities share the same borders as districts (district and capital municipalities?), and even still some share the same borders as entire provinces (metropolitan municipalities), while even still you can have multiple regular municipalities in a district, which would seem to be your average city. From an American perspective, I think this would be equivalent to entities such as consolidated city-counties, which are county-equivalent entities governed as a city/municipality, and indpendent city, which are county-equivalent entities which are entities governed as a city/municipality, but which was never and is not a county. How municipalities in Turkey can be described in such a way, I'm not sure, but perhaps reading through those pages will help in clarifying pages on Turkish local government. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Population Part II

Now that I seem to have an understanding of the structure of metropolitan municipalities, is the population give for them the borders of the entire former provincial population (since it is merged to become a single provincial and municipal entity), or is it just the population of the urban districts within? Since these "cities" now include thousands of square kilometers of land, there must be settlements within these metropolitan municipalities seperated by many kilometers of mostly empty districts from the central/main settlement. It seems that while these are now governed as a municipality in officially and in theory, they are still very much administered like a province in reality. So, what do the populations listed correspond to, I guess is the basic question? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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