Talk:Michael Davitt

Edits on 18 July 2005

_ _ The general inchoate state of this article can be seen by its having gotten the lk Irish [sic] only in the last 1% of its history, and in that typo being fixed by someone reading it only bcz Davitt's LoPbN entry had no useful info beyond his name, dates, & a (misplaced) lk to Land League.
_ _ In particular, the relevant substance of the "Notes" section should be retained as at most a lk somewhere in this article to Land War or Land war or Irish land war, which should in turn have a lk to Boycott, which in turn needs a lk to Land War and may or not need the contents of "Notes" folded in or pilfered from. I assume material not directly relevant to him may be moved to make Land War more than a bare stub, but someone with more background (and interest) than i should do that job. (I'm afraid i would leave a mess if i did much beyond pulling the fire alarm on that, and i hope someone will obviate my returning to probably do just a dump job with its contents.)
_ _ As is almost always the case (and here surely so, outside as well as within, the section that i just went over once with a stiff brush), the elimination of passive voice will be a valuable step, probably serving as occasion of some research on the Who (beyond Davitt) of this article.
_ _ It hurt me to say some of the vague things i did in Michael Davitt#Fenians, but i comfort myself that my edit is nevertheless an improvement on the article: it left all non-specialists as uncertain as i was, but with a better sense of the chronology, and less of their remaining ignorance concealed from them by the confusion the defective timeline imposed on the reader who fails to consciously attempt a reconstruction of that chronology.
Jerzy (talk) 19:02, 2005 July 18 (UTC)

Commenting on books?

Where does Wikipedia stand with regard to offering opinions about books referred to in the main article?

I just completed a biography of Michael Davitt, and the prison years in Dartmoor seem extremely brutal. Reminded me a good deal of One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

But this seems very subjective and I don't know whether it can be added to the article itself.

Can anyone provide an opinion on this?
Bernfarr (talk) 09:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't see a problem. Go for it.
Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 12:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

How did Davit get a ticket of leave, If he was already in england, does this mean he was deported?
58.105.8.145 (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Davitt and Scottish Highlanders

I read somewhere that Michael Davitt was sympathetic towards the Highlanders demand for land reform and that he actually visited the Highlands as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elitejcx (talk • contribs) 22:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Davitt's Death

Parnell's death is discussed in Portrait of the Artist by James Joyce, but the book deals with the period of time 1882-1902, and Davitt did not die till 1906, which is after Ulysses took place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.131.65 (talk) 15:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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Prison reform

When I checked Davitt's Hansard record, it seemed like many of his contributions were directed towards prison reform. He had an unusually humane attitude towards the issue. I think he lays down his position best in this speech but I'm not sure how to incorporate this aspect in the article, especially given WP:PRIMARY. Thanks Catrìona (talk) 18:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Excessive quotes are used in this article

Please see WP:QUOTEFARM. Overuse of quotes is against Wikipedia policy. Catrìona (talk) 12:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I have requested protection and now the IP accuses me of edit warring and claims I should find consensus here. Is it a strange idea to expect that the IP should explain why he is editing in breach of WP:QUOTEFARM? The Banner talk 13:24, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Scholarly sources for future improvement of the article

• Moody, T. W. "Michael Davitt and the British Labour Movement 1882–1906". Transactions of the Royal Historical Society. 3: 53–76. doi:10.2307/3678709. ISSN 0080-4401.
• Fighting for Ireland?: the military strategy of the Irish Republican movement. Taylor & Francis Group.
• O'Brien, Sean T. (2010). "The Prison Writing of Michael Davitt". New Hibernia Review / Iris Éireannach Nua. 14 (3): 16–32.
• Lane, Fintan; Newby, Andrew G. (2009). Michael Davitt: New Perspectives. Irish Academic Press. ISBN 9780716530428.
• Moody, Theodore William (1984). Davitt and Irish Revolution, 1846-82. Clarendon Press. ISBN 9780198200697.
• Marley, Laurence (2007). Michael Davitt: Freelance Radical and Frondeur. Four Courts Press. ISBN 9781846820663.
• Devoy, John (2008). Michael Davitt. University College Dublin Press. ISBN 9781910820995.

Michael Davitt and Gandhi

While it is claimed on several websites that Gandhi was influenced by Davitt, that seems to be apocryphal. If it were true that Davitt had a noteworthy effect on Gandhi, you would expect to be mentioned in biographies of Gandhi and books about his nonviolent philosophy. I checked—neither Gandhi's Truth: on the Origins of Militant Nonviolence and Gandhi's Passion: The Life and Legacy of Mahatma Gandhi mention Davitt. The fact that this article was written by a guest columnist in a local newspaper which evidently didn't vet all of her claims makes it a poor source for evaluating Davitt's legacy in general. (News stories are often poor sources for history unless written by a historian with an established reputation.) That's why I removed the paragraph. Fiamh ^{(talk, contribs)} 12:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Michael Davitt/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MX (talk · contribs) 02:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Review

Will review. Stay tuned! MX (✉ • ✎) 02:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Concluding my review. Nice job with this article! See points below. MX (✉ • ✎) 20:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

Several facts here are not mentioned in the body paragraphs and/or unsourced (like the predecessors and successors). Can you introduce them to the body sections so they are cited?

• I ended up taking this out of the infobox because he was not primarily known as a politician, and secondary sources barely discuss the elections.

Early years

• tenant farmers of little means, and spoke Irish as the family language. - Just a suggestion, but you can consider fixing the flow by adding “little means that spoke Irish as the family language”
  • Done, thanks
• He joined the Mechanics' Institute and continued to read and study - Is this institute the Burnley Mechanics? Consider linking that or Mechanics' Institutes.
  • Linked. Actually Haslingden Mechanics' Institute.
• Lancaster than in the rest of Britain - Does the source use Britain? You’ve used England in earlier mentions and just want to make sure we stick to what the sources say.
  • Source doesn't explicitly mention either, so changed to "than elsewhere".

Irish Republican Brotherhood

• approval of his parents and soon elected leader of the local Rossendale - How soon? You can copyedit to “was elected” or find a date for it.
  • Source does not give a date, just says that it was soon after he joined.
• approaches to achieving Irish republican goals - I would link Irish republicanism since this is the first mention in the body sections.
  • Done
• This collaboration was cemented by a meeting on 1 June 1879 in Dublin between Davitt - “during a meeting”?
  • Done
• This collaboration was cemented by a meeting on 1 June 1879 in Dublin between Davitt, Devoy, and Charles Stewart Parnell, leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party (IPP), which advocated Home Rule achieved via Parliament.[a] - Question here. Does the source in the footnote back up this sentence too? Or is the source there only for the footnote? Consider adding the source in the paragraph text too.
  • Done

The Land War

• meetings in Mayo to agitate for land reform. - Is that County Mayo?
  • Yes, in Ireland Mayo = County Mayo sort of like Oregon = State of Oregon.
• For the thirteen weeks that Davitt was in America - You’ve used the “United States” in previous mentions, I would stick to that here too instead of “America”
  • Done

Travels and marriage

• One of their sons, Robert Davitt, became a TD - Consider spelling TD out since I can assure you most readers do not know what it is.
  • Well, the spelled out version is "teachta dála" which is not very accessible either. I added (national legislator) for clarification.

Final years and death

• procession of almost a mile followed the coffin - Add a convert template to include kilometers too.
  • Done

Thanks for the review! I think I've addressed everything. buidhe 00:40, 3 February 2020 (UTC)