Talk:Michael Hutchence/Archive 1

Archive 1

Kudos

Yes, this is a great article, Zoe. Written clearly, with much relevant information. We need more articles like this. So, welcome! --LMS 20:09, 8 November 2001 (UTC)

Yay - Michael finally gets removed from the stubs page! Nice work Zoe. - MMGB 15:51, 25 February 2002 (UTC)

Fan-crap article

It's time Wikipedia spun off a seperate endeavor for all the pop star fan-crap slop.

Sorry, popular culture is suitable encyclopedia content. Sorry if it's not to your liking, but I think it's here to stay. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:14, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

If you don't like then don't read it. Wikipedia offer information for everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.39.13.66 (talk) 06:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Michael's Spirit?

Is this really relevant? I thought the brilliant urge to updating this article was to bring it up to standard, part of which has to be to excise myth and hocus-pocus? - David Barrie 22:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Depression, Anti Depressants, and Suicide

There is always risk of suicide by virtue of the fact that we don't have a cure for depression, we only have treatments, and none of them are perfect, with some being likely to make it worse. One should trust one's self to judge the quality of one's own treatment (do not take something on another's word, you ulimately have to guide yourself and trust your deepest instincts on what is right for you). I will quote Sheryl Crow: "if it makes you happy it cant' be that bad, it it makes you happy why the hell are you so sad?". My advice is to literally and vigorously apply that statement to one's own treatments.

One should never give up hope or fail to seek help on the basis that some treatments fail or have imperfections. The combination of Hope and Help = Happiness. Good Luck to all who struggle!--Tednor 10:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Later Developments removal of last line

Is it really necessary to note that the site of his death is going to be demolished and replaced with a 14 story "skyscraper." Honestly, I know there is no set height in determining skyscraper status but I believe that since the early 1900s 14 story buildings have become quite common and out of the scope of what a good portion of people would label as a skyscraper.68.165.245.234 (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree and will remove this uncited and unnecessary sentence. Jmoasahkua (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC).

Suicide a cover-up: Murder?

While I know of no references that explicitly support this theory, Michael Hutchence's financial arrangements provide a strong motive for murder. The people involved in setting up these arrangements do not appear to be as pure as the driven snow, either. cojoco (talk) 00:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely nothing has ever emerged to support this claim. Mrdavidbarrie (talk) 20:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Paula Yates accused Bob Geldof of killing Hutchence. She was quoted in November 1997 in the Daily Express as saying: "Bob Geldof murdered Michael Hutchence...That bastard killed Michael. He is called Saint Bob. That makes me sick. He killed my baby. We have had three years of this." The police statement Paula gave after Hutchence's death also claims that Bob repeatedly threatened her and Hutchence by saying, "Don't forget, I am above the law."

Hutchence's death is discussed in Alex Constantine's book, The Covert War Against Rock where it is stated that Hutchence had injuries not consistent with a suicide: a broken hand, a split lip and lacerations.--Lomboksurf (talk) 17:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Suicide a cover-up: Autoeroticism?

I thought that the sucide rubbish was just a cover up... [Anon]uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

I was surprised to read hear that the autoerotic explanation came up only a couple of years after his death. I would have sworn that I heard that explanation in the week of his death. Moleskiner 03:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The conclusion of the official Coroner's Report was suicide. However, consideration of the report by independent external experts, experts in the field of forensic science and crime scene analysis have since suggested that the Coroner could have - and perhaps should - have concluded that the cause of death was accidental. [Anon]

What consideration/experts/crime scene alanysis? The Coroner's report specifically mentions the possibility of autoeroticism, and rejects that cause of death as being supported by "no forensic or other evidence". I don't see why this supposition should be treated almost as is if it is as plausible as the official verdict without giving evidence. --Timtak 02:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

In 1999, the Coroner's Report was independently considered by Professor Stephen Hucker of McMaster University, Ontario and leading U.K. pathologist Professor Iain West. This was linked to an investigative documentary broadcast on Channel 4 TV, London. Nudity, photography, body plasma, a ring blot screw at the scene of death, coupled with an historic interest in autoerotica reported by Rhet Hutchence and Paula Yates, and the lack of a suicide note suggest that the Coroner should have returned either an open verdict or one of accidental death. Mrdavidbarrie 06:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what makes me most uncomfortable about this suicide vs. erotic accident thing, but I think our values may be a little screwed up on the matter. I think a tragic death is a tragic death, full stop.--Tednor 10:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I love Wikipedia, but one thing I cannot stand is how certain factions tend to rewrite history. Especially in the case of the suicide of a musician. Please give more attention to the most widely accepted and evidenced description of the event. This page describes the conspiracy theory better than the real thing.Blaiseball 19:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Who paid for the Channel 4 documentary research and what was their agenda? And, where did the "evidence" the researchers analyzed come from? Also, is there a link to the program, the reports from the researchers and the "evidence" examined? And, if one unofficial "theory" about the death will be discussed, shouldn't the other "theories" be included?--Lomboksurf (talk) 17:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

What does it mean when a body is "facing forward"

In the article is says, "...and his body had dropped to the floor, facing forward." I don't know what that means. Surely if his head was still fixed on the right way round it just means that he was facing the way that he was facing - which is to say, that it doesn't tell us much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 16:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. The cited book, Just a Man Chapter 12 actually states, "He was in a kneeling position facing the door. He had used his black leather belt to tie a knot on the automatic door closure at the top of the door, and had strained his head forward into the loop so hard that the buckle had broken." Also, has anyone ever read which belt he used? --Lomboksurf (talk) 17:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I cannot believe this could be true, "U.K. laws give the first person to apply for custody of the child preference"

This seems unlikely to me and should be corrected by someone who knows better, "U.K. laws give the first person to apply for custody of the child preference and anyone, (even blood relatives), must receive that person's permission to petition the court for custody."

If it were true, then any stranger could prevent relatives and friends from seeking custody. It needs a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

It does seem implausible. It needs an editor who is familiar with U.K child custody laws to verify it with a better source than it has.—Sandahl (♀) 03:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The statement from Hutchence's half-sister and mother reads:

Tina would have been happy to do whatever it took to make sure her niece was loved, well taken care of, and had contact with her older stepsisters as well as her cousins who are closer to her age not to mention the rest of Michael's family. Unfortunately she did not get that chance as Bob Geldof filed for custody the day after his ex-wife died. Michael's family was not notified, instead Bob assured Tina that he was just providing a home for Tiger and her nanny until she arrived in London. The law in the United Kingdom is such that once a person applies for custody of a child, anyone else (even a blood relative) must ask permission of the first party to ‘join' the proceedings – a mere formality. Tina and Patricia were assured that Bob would not object as it would be embarrassing for him to publicly object to Michael's family joining the proceedings. Tina's attorney was wrong because Tina never got the chance to apply for her niece.

It needs clarification because it does seem murky how Bob Geldof was granted custody over blood relatives of Hutchence. I did not find news articles about the custody case that detail the laws applied.--Lomboksurf (talk) 17:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I didn't either. The one source for it is less than reliable, a news story would be much better. I suggest that a {{Fact}} be placed on that section.—Sandahl (♀) 18:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Here are some quotes from news articles - they are very favorable to Geldof, without providing much actual legal details:

1. Tiger Lily to live with Sir Bob http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1078627.stm

A bid for custody of Tiger Lily was thought to have been made by her aunt, Tina Hutchence, the sister of INXS singer Michael Hutchence who was found hanged in a Sydney hotel room in 1997.

Mrs Hutchence was not given permission by the judge to apply for Tiger Lily to live with her in California.

2. Tina Hutchence and her mother Patricia Glassop have consulted London lawyers about getting custody of Tiger Lily, according to The Times. Custody Battle Looms for Tiger Lily - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/931642.stm

3. A judge has given the singer-turned-businessman custody over Heavenly Hiraani Tiger Lily Hutchence for the rest of her childhood. Geldof: Tiger won't forget Parents http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1306439.stm

4. Mrs Justice Hogg rejected a counter-application for custody of Tiger Lily by Hutchence's half-sister, Tina Shorr, who wanted to care for the girl at her home in Burbank, California. The order will be reviewed in 12 months. Geldof Wins Custody of Paula Yates's daughterhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1378636/Geldof-wins-custody-of-Paula-Yatess-daughter.html

From these articles, can we make sense of the procedure? --Lomboksurf (talk) 16:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

References

GONE (U2)

This article states that GONE by U2 is written after the shock of MH's death. The album the song appears on (1997 POP) was released months before his death, so what's up with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helt91 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

And what's up with this article saying, "Some reports inaccurately reported" bla bla bla, then saying that the "resulting brain damage". Did it happen or not? What caused all of his shit? If it wasn't a bike accident then what was it? It makes no sense that this article says "inaccurately reported" and then says "the resulting brain damage". If he had brain damage, then let's get it accurately reported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.79.114.34 (talk) 22:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Biopic - "Slide Away"?

Under Later Developments, it says: "The film, Slide Away, is set for release in 2009." It was not released. Lomboksurf (talk) 11:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Later Career Section

The Later Career section is lacking. Is the Early Career section meant to cover the late 70s-80s? Then, Later Career might focus on the 90s. And, the stuff about his romances moved. Lomboksurf (talk) 14:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed major edits

As a member of 2001 ARIA Hall of Fame inductees, INXS, Hutchence deserves a B-class article (or better). The current Lead is woefully inadequate, portions of the main text require re-writing/re-organising, some NPOV tone changes and in-line citations from reliable sources will be applied. Consequently, I'm going to start improving this article, and expect the overall job to take about a week or two. Interim edits may look incomplete or disorganised, other editors are welcome to join in.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I've done my bit. The Tributes section remains under-referenced and I hope other editors can add them or it may have to be further trimmed.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Oddness

"After Hutchence's death, Geldof and Yates each gave police statements on the phone calls they exchanged with Hutchence that morning but did not volunteer their phone records." The second part comes out of the blue. I don't suppose they volunteered their bank statements or their diaries either, but we don't find the need to state that. What's the sub text? Rich Farmbrough, 10:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC).

Reasons for Suicide?

I am of the view that Hutchence did indeed commit suicide but I have the sense that neither the article nor the comments in this session fully deliver the reasons why. The issue with his daugther was incidental. That was not the real reason. The real reason had to do with the patterns of his life, what he had originally aspired to do when he was young only to realize later with age that he achieved commercial success but at cost which had made his soul and body so weak that self-destruction became necessary. It is something hard to articulate. Feudal Japanese society fully understand the sense of honor and what that implied but today this has become a nebulous notion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyMath (talk • contribs) 03:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Kylie

The only mention of Kylie is in relation to the title "Suicide Blonde" - that needs more context, but surely there should be more ? -- Beardo (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Life in Hong Kong: Mui Wo on Lantau Island

There is lots of talk in Mui Wo, a town on Lantau Island in Hong Kong, that MH used to spend his summers there. In particular, in a house called Yick Yuen near the Silvermine Waterfall.

Does anyone know any more or could point me in the direction of some Wikipedia-friendly reliable source about this (assuming it's true)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.160.26 (talk) 04:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Seriously?

"But Hutchence was found dead less than a month after the album came out, having apparently never made that phone call to LeBon." The only thing this statement is missing is a wah-wah-wah sad trombone. This is Wikipedia, not VH1's "Behind The Music." 98.218.174.69 (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I certainly see your point. I reworded the last sentence to state: Hutchence was found dead less than a month after the album came out. I left the phrase of when the album came out as some type of time frame reference, since it was only a month following. I do find that significant...Thanks! Fylbecatulous talk 15:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Nerve damage

I just finished reading INXS:s autobiography and a lot of focus was put on the fact that Michael Hutchence lost his sense of smell after being hit but a cab driver. According to the book it made him agressive after the incident, it changed him as a person, he became more depressed and he could never again taste food or, and I am quoting the book, "smell the pussy of his girlfriend".

He lost his scene of taste too. He said "I can't even taste my girlfriend anymore." http://www.ebookwise.com/ebooks/b51677/The-Scent-of-Desire/Rachel-Herz/?si=43 82.26.88.123 (talk) 22:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I am editing the section regarding the assault by the cab driver as he was not riding a bike at the time. He had been out drinking and was walking down a narrow street eating and refused to get out of the way of the cab. He also did not seek medical assistance for the injuries he sustained by falling for several days.

Thank you for your edit. I have removed it because you did not give any reference. I looked up the article that the older part of the statement cites and it does not mention the information you added. If you have or can find a reliable source to validate your edit; please re-add your text with a reference. Otherwise, it is considered Original Research. Fylbecatulous talk 15:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

what a bad article

just a basic "love in" that is mixed up and virtually un-readable. Should be deleted and started again, its that bad!! 86.160.15.157 (talk) 12:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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I don't know how to add images to Wikimedia, but I wish there could be some other (better) pictures on this page. Does anyone know how to do this? SunCrow (talk) 06:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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Mike in London

There are a few errors in the published details regarding the relationship with Paula. How do I know? I was their neighbour. Yes - I lived 5 doors down and saw a lot. I met with Paula and Michael (and Bob). Not sure if I want to share details at this time. Just wanted to point out that the Wiki is not completely accurate. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:BB60:6400:D960:69EC:AD34:D101 (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Resting Place

Why are we considering memorial headstones and plaques 'resting places'? The article states that he was cremated and his ashes were scattered, yet the infobox suggests otherwise, and multiple places of rest none-the-less.Juve2000 (talk) 01:42, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Walking or cycling?

The article says "In August 1992, Helena Christensen and Hutchence were walking late at night on a street in Copenhagen after drinking heavily when he refused to move for a taxi." However, many sources say that he was cycling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:4B91:AB00:DC8F:DFD2:526E:83D (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Max Q

Should mention membership/participation in Max Q. --Daniel C. Boyer 01:14, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Whose pocket got the heroin from Paula Yates? Please answer

Was it Rhett Hutchence or Michael Hutchence? The article does not soecify. Zengalileo (talk) 23:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistent information

There's something inconsistent. The article is categorized in Burials at Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills), which is an American graveyard. Now, how is it compatible with the fact that he was dead in Sydney, Australia and, most of all, as the inscription on his cenotaph in Sydney reads, his ashes were scattered in January 1998? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 00:29, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I understand that his ashes were reinterred in November 1999 in Forest Lawn... he is definitely buried there, his grave and a plaque are in the park. Richard3120 (talk) 01:59, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Richard3120:, are you sure it's not just a cenotaph? The plaque reads that the ashes were scattered, how can one reinterrate scattered ashes? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 14:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Why would they bother to put a memorial on the other side of the world if he wasn't buried there? Why not put memorials to all famous actors and rock stars? It's quite possible that his ashes were separated and some of them scattered in Australia and the rest buried in California - this frequently happens, that ashes are scattered in different locations. Richard3120 (talk) 15:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Just reading a bit more about it... apparently his ashes were divided into three parts, one third for his father, one third for his mother, and one third for his partner Paula Yates. His father's portion are the ashes that were scattered in Australia; his mother's portion are the ashes buried in Forest Lawn. Richard3120 (talk) 15:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Ok, thanks. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 22:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

You have a point though, this should be made clearer in the article. But there doesn't seem to be much in the way of reliable sources about this – just personal blogs, and FindAGrave.com, which is not considered a reliable source for use on Wikipedia. Richard3120 (talk) 22:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)