Talk:Michael Malloy

Name

Is it Malloy or Molloy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike The Durable (talk • contribs) 23:32, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Well, I don't have a subscription so I can't read the whole article but the New Your Times archive[1] corroborates at least the core truth of the murder plot. As for the validity of such details as the various poisons, I'm sure the story has been embellished over time. And then there is the ridiculous addition at the end of an exhumed Malloy still being alive that is pure fantasy; even according to the listed source. Ridiculous.69.148.171.32 (talk) 22:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe many of these stories are true... although they still might be worth documenting as stories. What are the sources?

Christ, there's books, programs and plays based on it, I think we can presume it's true. Troubleshooter 21:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

So now anything anyone says is true, so long as other people agree? You don't happen to be religious, do you?Vegetable4 22:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The original writer of this article almost certainly got his/her information from one of the People's Almanac books written by David Wallenchinsky and co. The latest one, I think, was The People's Almanac Presents: The 20th Century and Malloy's story is found in the chapter on death under "Famous Non-Survivors." At least, *I've* never seen it mentioned in any other book, etc.--Massofspikes 19:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is there a link to Rasputin? Other than the fact that he was, in theory, also very hard to kill off, they're entirely unrelated. What gives? 66.159.76.67 04:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC) The final assasination attempt of Rasputin also involved getting him to ingest poison, which was added both to his food and drinks, much as Malloy. Both of them according to the story, seemed to be impervious to the poisons and even asked for more of the tainted food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.20.123.38 (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Because he was very hard to kill off, that is the whole reason, not many people could survive multiple murder attempts.Davie4264 20:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Scientific discussion of this?

On reading the article, the whole story comes across sounding like an urban legend. Perhaps there could be a section on possible scientific causes of the phenomena he displayed, assuming of course that the story is true? That might lend the article a bit more credibility.FlamingSilmaril 13:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Credibility

Come on, this needs more sources for such surprising claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.102.197 (talk) 22:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Seemingly intentional poetry

"plotted to deploy a ploy to destroy the unemployed Malloy" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4200:E340:B435:5DB8:D6:6415 (talk) 07:22, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

It's a reference to the sam o'nella video.67.219.83.13 (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Temperature

The temperature of -14 F seems dubious to me. According to this source listing the coldest days in NYC history, which quotes an AccuWeather spokesman, there were only two days past negative 10: one in 1917, and one in 1943. But none in 1933; the only low recorded in 1933 was negative 6, and that was at the end of the year, while this article claims that the attempts on Malloy's life began in January 1933 and culminated on February 23, 1933. I also checked annual data from the National Climatic Data Center for two of their weather stations in 1933, and both reported their extreme minimum temperature on December 30: negative 6 in Central Park (corroborating the other source), and negative 8 in Flushing, not anywhere close to negative 14, and not in January either. If there truly were such low temperatures in early 1933, it would definitely have been reported in the news of the time, so maybe someone could dig up that info. Opencooper (talk) 06:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Protection

Given the determination for a certain person (who is not hesitant to use multiple accounts/ips) to add a mildly amusing joke to this article, maybe it's time to introduce some sort of protection here? -R. fiend (talk) 03:31, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Remove picture of victim on autopsy table

I think it is inappropriate to place a photo of the victim during the autopsy in the article. I also do not see any relevant information that this photo contains.

Are there any objections to removing this photo from the article? Malanoqa (talk) 09:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

The photo provides some context for the damages done to Malloy, and removing it only provides less information. Wikipedia is not censored. (I will point out, however, the image might not be long for the Wikimedia Commons: Mike Malloy's body, during autopsy.jpg is currently tagged there as possibly tagged with the improper copyright claim.) — Fourthords | =Λ= | 13:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the information about the copyright problem of the photo. What is the concrete benefit of this photo for this article? The presentation of a photo that humiliates a victim should in my opinion only be done if there are good reasons to show it. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Malanoqa (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

If it provides some context for the damages done to Malloy, then I can see its value. I don't understand how a post-mortem photograph is "humiliating", nor how one even humiliates a man who is some 88.68 years dead. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 02:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

What about traumatizing?

Wikipedia is used by all people, children too. Therefore I do not think it appropriate to have a picture of a corpse here. Especially without a trigger warning.

And I DO see this photo as unethical, since he didn't have a chance to decline this photo being taken.

Regarding the damages: From the picture it is not possible to see what damages were done to him. You only see his face.

Another fact to consider is, that there are very possibly still living relatives of him, and it is also unethical to have this picture up here with regards to them. 2003:D5:D71A:1910:68A5:2B72:CDD:2D3D (talk) 22:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Fourthords. Per WP:NOTCENSORED it should remain. It ensures complete coverage of its subject matter. Also, for removal there should be WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 02:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Age, Date of Birth

In the death certificate it reads age = 40 years. This is not consistent with 1873 as year of birth, but more consistent with 1893. Is there a reference for 1873 as birth year? Best, --Thomas Dresler (talk) 10:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

See my reply below. The death certificate was deliberately falsified. Esq263 (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Death's date

In the summary at the beginning of the article, the date of death is February 22, but in the text it is mentioned that the murder finally took place on February 23. Small detail, but a contradiction. 24.201.200.61 (talk) 10:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Wrong Death Certificate

The picture of the death certificate is for a Michael or Nicholas Mallory, born in the U.S. and died at age 40. Clearly not Malloy, as he was born in County Donegal, Ireland, and supposedly died in his 60's. 2603:6081:3209:BC00:955F:1D5D:96CB:4154 (talk) 10:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

This was the correct death certificate. Having insured Malloy under the name "Nicholas Mallory", the conspirators caused a death certificate to be issued under that name, which included the falsified data regarding his age and birthplace. One of their number pretended to be his brother in order to collect the insurance payments. Esq263 (talk) 01:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Radio Show Adaptation. In June of 1956 the radio show Your’s Truly Johnny Dollar presented “The Indestructible Mike Matter (episodes 406-410), a fictional version in which Mike survives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waset60 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)