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Requested move 13 January 2021

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Moved as proposed as to items #1 and #2; no consensus to move as to #3. After much-extended time for discussion, there is consensus for the absence of a primary topic for the formally spelled out name. BD2412 T 19:45, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• Michael McLaughlin → Michael McLaughlin (activist)
• Michael McLaughlin (disambiguation) → Michael McLaughlin
• Mike McLaughlin → Mike McLaughlin (racing driver)

– Per stats, the activist of the same name is most viewed. However, the car racing driver is also viewed as much as the activist, but the driver uses "Mike" instead. I'm unconvinced that "Michael" and "Mike" are distinctive enough as the names are interchangeable. Parenthetical disambiguation should make the titles clearer. Furthermore, neither the activist nor the car racer is historically significant any more than the other. Car racer won several races, while the activist wrote books and won just one award from a newspaper as of date and no elections. In the meantime, "Mike McLaughlin" must redirect to the dabpage. George Ho (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. It is standard practice for names that are spellled - and sometimes only merely capitalized - differently to have an outlier (like Mike) at the "main" title with a hatnote pointing to "Michael" dabpage. This is, in fact, literally what hatnotes are for. (Also we don't use "car racer" as a disambiguation term. You want "auto racerracing driver") If somebody wants to find the activist Michael McLaughlin, they'll look for Michael McLaughlin, not Mike McLaughlin. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  Changed from "car racing". George Ho (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  Actually, "racing driver" is the usual disambiguator. See Category:NASCAR drivers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

  Changed from "auto racer" for consistency with other such articles. George Ho (talk) 12:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks Necrothesp, I knew my brain was stripping a gear there somehow, George Ho, sorry I caused confusion by giving the wrong dab!. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  No worries. :) I just couldn't figure out until recently how to disambiguate car racers. George Ho (talk) 17:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Consider that the current setup complies with WP:NATURALDAB. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • How natural the names are is subjective at best. Honestly, I wouldn't cite the policy without explaining further how natural disambiguation is best suitable for both persons. IMO, "parethetical disambiguation" would be my best suggestion when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title." To me, the current titles are not "optimal" enough to let the names stay this way. George Ho (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support 1 (the activist is not the primary topic). Consequently Support 2, Oppose 3 (not ambiguous). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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