Talk:Mike Cuellar/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wetrorave (talk · contribs) 21:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this—I don't know anything about baseball so if something in this review is extremely wrong then pardon me

Infobox and lead

• Infobox says he was born in Santa Clara, Cuba, but prose says he was born in Las Villas; while both locations are related, it's best to leave it consistent
• I don't see where MLB wins leader is mentioned on prose
• Lead looks good

More will follow. Wetrorave (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Life and career

Early life, first stints in the majors

• Ref 2 alone supports the second, third, and fourth statements alone, so ref 3 isn't needed
• "drawing attention from Major League Baseball (MLB) scouts." – ref 2 says that he "was heavily followed by Cuban and American scouts", but does not state specifically MLB scouts (neither does ref 3)

More will follow II. Wetrorave (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

• "with 220 innings pitched."[9] – where is this mentioned at 9
  • You click the category at the top to organize by the leaders in it. Innings pitched is denoted by the abbreviation IP. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 18:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• I'm not sure how the second and third sentences of the seventh paragraph are supported by ref 8—only ref 2 there seems fine to me
• ""He’s a lot faster and has come with quite a scroogie," the hitter observed." > "The hitter said that ""he's a lot faster and has come with quite a scroogie"."
• "the Philadelphia Phillies collapsed" – remove the wikilink since PP has already been linked before

Finished a review of the first section; second coming soon. Wetrorave (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Houston Astros (1965-68)

• "posted an 0.72 ERA" – where is this number mentioned at ref 15
  • For these gamelogs, you can get the statistics over a range of dates by clicking on two of them. If you click the first and the fifteenth game, a pop-up window will arise, showing you (among other things) what his ERA was over that span. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 18:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• ""I've created a monster" bragged manager Grady Hatton after Cuellar posted a 1.29 ERA in his first four starts." > "After Cuellar posted a 1.29 ERA in his first four starts, manager Grady Hatton said: "I've created a monster"."
• ""For a while, all Cuellar wanted to do was throw screwballs," Hatton explained. "But this year," > "Hatton explained: "For a while, all Cuellar wanted to do was throw screwballs. But this year,"
• "He came into the contest in relief of Chris Short in the 11th. Of the seven batters he faced, the only baserunner he allowed in the two shutout innings he pitched was Carl Yastrzemski, who recorded a 12th-inning single." – where is this mentioned at ref 27
  • It's a summary of info recorded in the numbers, as well as in the paragraphs from AMERICAN LEAGUE 11TH through NATIONAL LEAGUE 13TH. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:38, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• "held the Philadelphia Phillies" – remove the wikilink vol. II
  • Didn't realize how much I desperate I was to wikilink the Phillies! :) Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Baltimore Orioles (1969-76)

• Looks good! I'm surprised to see this

California Angels (1977), later career

• The third paragraph is unsourced

Pitching style

• "his excellent screwball" – attribute this statement to the writer of ref 45 since it's subjective
• "By cleverly selecting" – again, 'cleverly' is subjective, attribute this statement
• ""To watch him pitch was amazing," recalled fellow Oriole pitcher Dick Hall. "It seemed" > "Fellow Oriole pitcher Dick Hall recalled: "To watch him pitch was amazing. It seemed"
• "Sports Illustrated said" – wikilink Sports Illustrated to Sports Illustrated
• ""Cuellar's screwball is a pitch nobody else in baseball throws, and he can change speeds on it," observed Ken McMullen of the Angels." > "Ken McMullen of the Angels opined that "Cuellar's screwball is a pitch nobody else in baseball throws, and he can change speeds on it;""

Personal life

• "his first marriage was falling apart," > "he was breaking up with his first wife" and specify the name of the wife if possible
  • Name of the first wife not mentioned in source. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• ""“He was like an artist,” Palmer remembered. “He" > ""Palmer remembered him as "like an artist. He" – without the curly quotation mark
• The first two statements of the second paragraph are sourced by ref 118, but how exacly? This source apparently doesn't even mention the name "Cuellar"
  • It actually does. You have to click on "Show #2-10" Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:47, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• ""Crazy Horse" – remove the bold and italics markup
• "When Boog Powell" – remove Boog Powell wikilink as it has already been linked before

See also, Notes, References, and External links

• See also, Notes, and EL all look good
• Copyright violation score looks good at 18%
• Wikilink Daily Herald on ref 1 to Daily Herald (Utah)
• Spell out SABR's full name on ref 2 – Society for American Baseball Research – and cite it as publisher rather than website
• Wikilink all instances of Sports Illustrated to Sports Illustrated per WP:MOSLINK
• Wikilink The Beaver County Times on ref 4 to The Beaver County Times
• Cite PSA as publisher on ref 5
• Wikilink all instances of (a) Retrosheet to Retrosheet and (b) Baseball-Reference to Baseball-Reference; cite both as publishers
• Wikilink The Free Lance-Star on refs 10 and 44 to The Free Lance–Star and change the dash to an endash
• Wikilink The Times Daily on refs 19 and 33 to TimesDaily
• Wikilink The Baltimore Sun on ref 35 to The Baltimore Sun
• Ref 111 is dead; use this as |archive-url= and replace The Miami Herald with Puerto Rico Herald on website/work
• Wikilink Eugene Register-Guard at ref 117 to The Register-Guard
• Spell out MLB's full name on ref 120, cite it as publisher, and wikilink it to Major League Baseball
• Wikilink Esquire to Esquire (magazine) on the final ref

Overall

 On hold, here's how the article is:

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Prose is at times unencyclopedic, like it's from a story-telling; refs do not meet MOS; and subjective statements are asserted as facts.

It does have its problems but is quite close to GA. It has gone unreviewed for months though, so it's probably better than when you first nominated it. Wetrorave (talk) 14:37, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

It seems like all the issues have been addressed; looks like a nice ✓ Pass to me. Wetrorave (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)