Talk:Mike Hughes (daredevil)

Guinness record and NASCAR

"According to Ars Technica, in 2002 he set a Guinness world record" - wouldn't it make sense to refer to Guinnes directly? Shouldn't he be in the Guinness Book of records then? And what's with his NASCAR history? Was he a driver or technician? Best regards, IP 77.179.91.83 (talk) 12:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Here's the primary source: Guinness site of the record. Best regards, IP 77.179.91.83 (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, added. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 04:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Illegal flight?

According to 14 CFR § 101.23, manned amateur rocketry seems to be illegal in the United States. (Unless, presumably, you have an exemption from the FAA.) Where was Hughes' last flight, and, if in the USA, did he have such an exemption? -- The Anome (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

In the article it says he didn't care about the rules and launched on private land. Not that that makes it legal. Uncrewed amateur launches also require FAA permits etc (usually obtained through a rocketry club, NAR or Tripoli). Sounds like he did it on private land and law enforcement did not care enough to do anything about it. Kees08 (Talk) 19:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Age

Multiple citations specify 64 years old, which I have used in the infobox a couple of times but it keeps being reverted. Hoping to get consensus here. I do not see any that say he is anything but 64, here are three examples specifying 64. I have reverted it a couple of times now so would prefer if someone else corrected the age if they agree. Kees08 (Talk) 23:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

• TMZ
• Space.com
• BBC

Requested move 24 February 2020

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No consensus, following extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 23:19, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Mike Hughes (daredevil) → "Mad" Mike Hughes – This article should use the most common name for him, especially in preference to parenthetical disambiguation. Current sources that refer to him as "Mad" Mike Hughes include the Washington Post [1], NPR [2], and the BBC [3]. Hughes's own site is inconsistent between Mad Mike Hughes and "Mad" Mike Hughes, partly because it quotes news stories from sources that prefer the quote marks. A few news sites refer to him as "Mad Mike" Hughes, with two words quoted. I don't see any sources that refer to him as only Mike Hughes without the appellation "Mad". No sources refer to him with the parenthetical disambiguation unless they are linking to Wikipedia. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 00:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good; I didn't really think much about it either way when I named the article originally in 2017. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 00:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

For me, I always think what a reader would type in a search box. Few people use any punctuation in searches, I feel it much less likely they'll search for that exact phrase, with the quotation marks. I advocate for keeping the title as it is. Ifnord (talk) 01:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose His nick name in the press is "Mad Mike" not "Mad" Mike. I think the title should remain as it is per WP:UCRN. Mad Mike Hughes is already a redirect so no one should have a problem finding the article.- MrX 🖋 01:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

It's really a minor style issue, but I found when I looked that more sources, and more of the high quality sources such as those I linked, used "Mad" Mike, not "Mad Mike". If it were the other way around I would have proposed that; I'm not trying to push anything but the majority style here. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support. "Mad Mike" or "Mad" Mike are both fine, but in any case the nickname is better per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATDAB. I don't see how UCRN supports keeping the title as is when Mad is affixed to his name in the vast majority of sources. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  Most sources reporting his death have used the nickname somewhere in the article, but many don't refer to him primarily as that. They refer to him just as "Mike Hughes". e.g. [4][5]  — Amakuru (talk) 14:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

  • I'll give you NYT, but not the second one, which calls him "Mad Mike Hughes" twice compared to "Mike Hughes" once. Nohomersryan (talk) 15:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per WP:NICKNAME we shouldn't be using the quoted part of the name unless it is very clearly the common name, which it doesn't appear to be. I'm not hugely keen on the disambiguator "daredevil", as that sounds like a bit of a slang term - if anyone has a better suggestion that would be good, but it's preferable to going with the nickname variant.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Mike Hughes (rocketeer)? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Mike Hughes (theorist)? I would think this one fits better. Jim Percy (talk) 19:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Not if we assume that the current lead section of the article accurately summarizes the reasons for his notability? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• p.s. I know WP:OSE, if you put Mad Mike in the search bar, you'll see a few existing items, including one with quotes. Martinevans123 (talk)

Comment: The full policy in WP:NICKNAME is "Avoid adding a nickname, or a contracted version of the original given name(s), in quotes, or parentheses, between first and last name (for example: Bill Clinton, not William "Bill" Clinton), unless it is the form most frequently used in independent reliable sources." This policy explicitly does not exclude nicknames that includes quotation marks. It excludes including quotation marks around the shortened names of the person's given name. "Mad" is not a shortened form of Hughe's given name (Michael).

Support. Wikipedia has the custom and policy of using the subject's most commonly used name, like Buffalo Bill and Elton John. A google search of the query "Mike Hughes rocket" shows that the vast majority of headlines refer to him this way in the wake of his death. Even prior to his death (using a Google search that gives results only up to December 31, 2019) he is still roundly called Mad" Mike Hughes. I think it's worth noting that the commas are almost always around the word "Mad" and nothing else.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)"

• Oppose. A comparison with a commonplace name like Cody’s is invalid. Qwirkle (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose or rename to Mad Mike Hughes (as per Mad Mike Hoare). No need for the quotes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose or rename to Mike Hughes (stuntman). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.220.45 (talk) 14:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
• Rename to Mad Mike Hughes as a natural disambiguation. Andrewa (talk) 08:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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Get ready for the “Andy Warhol faked his death” rumors.... Qwirkle (talk) 01:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2020

The image recently added to this article is a probable copyright violation, which I have already reported on Commons. I cannot remove it due to page protection, but it should be removed. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 02:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Edited out file. See Special:Diff/398059580 - FlightTime (open channel) 03:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)