Talk:Mike Reid (actor)

Inappropriate tone tag

I'm sure this was written by an avid fan, but it falls short of encyclopedia requirements. riana 18:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• I thought it was satirical and read it as such. Funniest article I've read in a long time.--Mongreilf 12:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

BNP

"Angela (who in 2008 the press claimed to be a British National Party activist), however the rumour appeared unfounded."

Footnotes for either points would help, first that she was/is a BNP activist (which I think is true) second that this is not true (which I think is false). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.62.46 (talk) 23:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Died today

Mike Reid has died today, according to BBC News 24. --Mwongozi 18:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Some unmitigated rubbish

"a fatal heart attack in the heart area of his chest area of his body" - for God's sake, if you're going to update this article then write comprehensible English - where else is someone going going to suffer a heart attack than in their heart??? If you can't write something sensible, then don't write anything. -- Arwel (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Erm, calm down? Geez.... take a chill pill my friend :) 90.199.93.224 00:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Nationality

86.151.43.15 21:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC) Could American readers please remember that the United Kingdom is *not* the same as England? England is not an independent sovereign state.

BBC News article

I was just reading the BBC's report on his death and noticed some similarities with this article. Most obvious to me was the phrase "remembered for its incomprehensible rules and the incongruity of him as presenter", which has been used in some form in this article since December 2005. Either way, one of the articles isn't citing the other. Odd, huh? --Gid 00:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

All creds to us, eh? And a sharp reminder that the vandalism watch is really needed right now. Cos as Frank Butcher he reached out to a wider audience and demands our respect in this sad time for his family, SqueakBox 00:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• I emailed BBC "NewsWatch" about this, asking them where they sourced the phrase. Their reply:

 Thank you for your comments. The BBC uses the Press Association as a
 news source and it was PA that broke the story of Mr Reid's death last
 night - the phrase below appeared in their copy. As to whether they used
 Wikipedia, you would have to ask them.  We hope this helps answer your query.

The plot thickens. (I have far too much time on my hands) Incidentally, according to Google's summary, The Metro also used the same phrase. I've emailed PA asking them to clarify. As far as I'm concerned, I don't think PA should be copying from Wikipedia without citation! --Gid 15:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Unless of course someone from PA writes in wikipedia... and has an excellent memory of his contributions, okay maybe not... SGGH ^speak! 16:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, surely this is an un-encyclopaedic phrase anyway, and should be revised? It is pure supposition on the part of the author that the rules were incomprehensible (it was a fairly straightforward game: contestants were allowed to choose a multiple-choice answer, then given the chance to change their minds once they saw how everyone else was voting - not incomprehensible at all), or that this should be the reason it is remembered. Neither is the incongruity really a reason: most of the people who do remember the show were probably too young to think anything of the choice of compere.Jock123 (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

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Death of granddaughter

Reference 1: a link to Deaths and Births England and Wales 1984-2006 is both inadequate and unnecessary.--User:Brenont (talk) 01:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Page views

Per WP:AT Naturalness ..."actually called":

• "actor Mike Reid" 262,000, "the actor Mike Reid" 41,000
• "comedian Mike Reid" 139,000, "the comedian Mike Reid" 5,540
• "entertainer Mike Reid" 1,390, "the entertainer Mike Reid" zero

Possible that Mike Reid is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here: In ictu oculi (talk) 10:18, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

• Mike Reid (entertainer) has been viewed 14,218 times in the last 90 days.
• Mike Reid has been viewed 3,414 times in the last 90 days.
• Mike Reid (American footballer) has been viewed 82 times in the last 90 days.
• Mike Reid (golfer) has been viewed 1,738 times in the last 90 days.

Michael Reid:

• Michael Reid (linebacker) has been viewed 292 times in the last 90 days.
• Michael Reid (evangelist) has been viewed 1237 times in the last 90 days.
• Michael Reid (rugby league) has been viewed 187 times in the last 90 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by In ictu oculi (talk • contribs) 10:19, 8 September 2013

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved to Mike Reid (actor); there is clear consensus for a move from the current title, but there is not a consensus to move the disambiguation page, Mike Reid, to another title; within the subset of those supporting the move of Mike Reid (entertainer), there is a clear majority willing to accept a move to the "(actor)" disambiguator, either as a first choice or a second choice, including by the nominator. The disambiguation page, Mike Reid, is not moved. Because the existence of a singer (a form of entertainer) makes that disambiguator ineffective, I will redirect it to the disambiguation page. bd2412 T 15:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• Mike Reid (entertainer) → Mike Reid
• Mike Reid → Mike Reid (disambiguation)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC the East Enders actor Mike Reid (entertainer) has been viewed 14,218 times in the last 90 days., while the American golfer Mike Reid (golfer) has been viewed 1,738 times in the last 90 days. The American country music singer and former American footballer Mike Reid (American footballer) has been viewed 82 times in the last 90 days.. Second choice if Primary not accepted, move to Mike Reid (actor) by WP:CRITERIA No.2 and also WP:DAB to avoid clash with the singer and ex-American footballer's 2 country albums at Category:Mike Reid albums. Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:18, 20 September 2013 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support move to Mike Reid per nom. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 18:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose From what I can see reading WP:NAME the page title is correct as it is--5 albert square (talk) 00:08, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support. As demonstrated, the entertainer is the primary topic. –anemoneprojectors– 09:36, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support move to Mike Reid (actor) per comments below. –anemoneprojectors– 10:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
• Note that the American football player's article is at Mike Reid (American football) (we don't say "footballer" :) ). So he's actually received 5250 views. Mike Reid (actor) may be a better choice. --BDD (talk) 22:54, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Well spotted. Also that suggests that links form his 2 albums and 4 singles are feeding there. Mike Reid (American football) → Mike Reid (singer). I've put in a RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:44, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose – He is virtually unknown in America, I suspect. Mike Reid (UK entertainer), Mike Reid (British entertainer) or Mike Reid (English entertainer) may be a better choices, to disambiguate from another "entertainer", Mike Reid (American football). Wbm1058 (talk) 18:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC) amended Wbm1058 (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Combining the football player/singer and the golfer only adds up to around 7,000 pageviews - well less than the 14,000 gotten by this person. If 2/3rds of our Mike Reid-searching users are looking for this person, that seems like a pretty strong case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Alternatively, go with Mike Reid (UK entertainer), Mike Reid (British entertainer) or Mike Reid (English entertainer) per Wbm1058. Dohn joe (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Appreciate the support, but the second choice (UK entertainer)/(English entertainer) rather than (actor) makes no sense. It is simply adding on a nationality (which? is he UK or British or English? and why?) simply to leave ambiguity about what he does compared to Mike Reid (singer). Do we also move Mike Reid (singer) to Mike Reid (US entertainer) to match? This underlines all the problems with using an ambiguous disambiguator. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support original proposal, or move to Mike Reid (actor) – I suspect that for many people, it is for his long-running TV soap role that he is most commonly remembered. No other actor/comedian/entertainer is titled "Mike Reid" on Wikipedia, so adding nationality to the disambiguation does not carry with it any particular navigational benefit. I agree that the case for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is strong: even including page views for the four redirects to Mike Reid (American football), the total number of hits for the AF player are less than half that for the actor/comedian/entertainer. Yearly hits (which I calculated by multiplying the figures for the last 90 days by 4.06; see Wikipedia:Million Award) are approximately 55,622 for this person, 21,599 for the AF player (add or subtract 3,134 for the redirects) and 6,435 for the golfer. SuperMarioMan 19:24, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
• Mike Reid (actor) is an acceptable compromise. If we can call a football player a singer, then I guess it's OK to call a game show host an actor. (entertainer) is too ambiguous because a singer or football player may also be considered another type of entertainer. With Mike Reid (singer) and Mike Reid (actor) disambiguation by nationality becomes unnecessary. Mike Reid (comedian) would also be OK. Those should both be redirects to avoid any risk of a content fork. Which man is primary topic may be location-dependent, though I don't know if that's ever taken into consideration. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  As far as I know, PRIMARYTOPIC is a Wikipedia-wide question. I would imagine that every non-primary topic is primary somewhere, or with some subset of our readership. But when we have pretty compelling evidence that 2/3rds of our readers are searching for this particular subject, out of all the "Mike Reids", doesn't it make sense to send them straight there? Dohn joe (talk) 00:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

  When I search with Google, the singing football player is the primary topic. Even the golfing community would likely admit that David Frost, because of his famous interviews with Nixon, is more well known than the golfer with the same name, on any continent. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

  I'm afraid I don't follow you on the Frost point.... Dohn joe (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

  The TV host/journalist is primary topic in any general reference media, whereas the golfer would only be PT in a golfing-specific reference book. The singing ex-football lineman would likely be PT in any American edition of an encyclopedia, while the same publisher would make the comedian PT in the UK edition of their encyclopedia. I'd personally set the bar to give PT here only for titles with a universal or near-universal worldwide, or at least English-speaking, PT. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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An Aristocrat

I know absolutely nothing about this actor, but it says here:

Reid was thus bestowed with the title of Baron of Troup, a genuine and hereditary barony, though one conveying no privilege aside from the use of the title itself.

If this is a barony shouldn't the lede and infobox include this amongst his titles as 13th Baron ? Even if but a laird-ship and maybe equivalent to Lord of the Manor, it is nonetheless a thing --- and having read recently on Wiki many people involved in the War of the Roses and 4 centuries later the Grand Whiggery of the 18th century, I don't see that personal worthiness of the owner or the rank of a title were in any way germane to acknowledging it.

https://aboutaberdeen.com/The-Baron-of-Troup-Gardenstown-ITV-Reality-Television-Programme

Claverhouse (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

The title of "Baron of Troup" was confered as a prize in a competition on a reality TV show, has no value, and mentioning it in the article's lede and infobox would be WP:UNDUE. Since the year 2000, Scottish baronies can be bought and sold and have no land or privileges. See Barons in Scotland#Abolition of feudal tenure. Scottish barons are NOT aristocrats. The 12th holder (Ian George Cruickshank, 12th of Troup [1] by heritable lineage) SOLD the barony to the reality TV show. "This actual title was bought especially by ITV for the reality TV programme." [2] "Fiona Allen's commentary also tells us that Gardenstown is in crisis after the last Baron relinquished his title. She doesn't tell us that it's a figurehead role without any actual power, or that he relinquished it because the production company made him a generous financial offer for it. Scottish baronies are the only British honours that can be legally traded, but one of the first acts of the new Scottish Parliament was to abolish what remained of the old Scottish feudal system, with the upshot that the title doesn't actually confer any land or special rights." See also False titles of nobility. [3] Platonk (talk) 17:30, 3 July 2021 (UTC)