Talk:Mikołaj Radziwiłł the Black

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I believe that this article should have appropriate name Mikołaj Radziwiłł the Black not "Czarny" M.K. 17:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The Polish language book sources use the current name. In the English language book "The History of Lithuania" by Z. Kiaupa, he is called Nicolaus Radvila the Black. Juraune 06:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Mikołaj Radziwiłł the Black seems better - this is English wiki and we should translate nicknames.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 14:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Moved to "the Black." Renata 00:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

What is the reason to place "the Black" (the Red et.) in the middle of the name???? M.K. 13:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Some sources use it in the middle, some at the end. Feel free to do a numerical comparison.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

As far as I understand that's how nicknames are treated in English language. E.g. Richard "Dickie" Simpson. No? Renata 04:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Not necessary. Maybe native English speaker could help a bit. Does any body know such? M.K. 18:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Re Saul Wahl

Very interesting legend, deserves inclusion - but probably not here - this fellow died in 1565 and cannot have acted in 1586 as the S.W. article states. There are several Mikolaj (Nicholas) Radziwills, it's a disambig page Mikołaj Radziwiłł (disambiguation), so we must choose one if we want to include this. Mikołaj Krzysztof "the Orphan" Radziwiłł d. 1616 seems the better place - he did make a voyage to Italy and the Holy Lands, and you can see that this recent source [1], in speaking of the Wahl-Radziwill legend, calls him Nicholas Radziwill. Other items mentioned in that source support The Orphan as the N.R. in question, like the conversion to Catholicism. Novickas (talk) 00:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

hmm. the Jewish Encyclopedia (JE), the main source for this legend, does not date Saul Wahl, so it may be inconsistent with another source being used there. Note the JE described him as "the black". I have to look into this matter further. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Here's another ref about SW and NR - Jewish Literature, and Other Essays By Gustav Karpeles - [2]. It refers to the Radziwill of the legend as Nicholas Christopher, as you can see the alt name Nicholas Christopher Radziwill is now in the Mikołaj Krzysztof "the Orphan" Radziwiłł article as an alt name. (The one known as The Black was NC's father, so 'surnamed the Black' was understandable). Hope this helps. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

you appear to be entirely correct and backed up by the sources which i reviewed again. i wall remove the link from this article and move it to Mikołaj Krzysztof "the Orphan" Radziwiłł. thanks,--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

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Polish name for Lithuanian politician

Explain why you are using Polish transliteration of Lithuanian name. Person who lives in Lithuanian dutchy, holds Lithuanian titles and owns lands only in Lithuania out of the blue becomes Polish-Lithuanian politician, when countries were not in political union during his times. Union of Lublin was signed on 1569. He was dead by that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.56.84.144 (talk) 17:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)