Talk:Mikołaj Radziwiłł the Red

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I believe that this article should have appropriate name Mikołaj Radziwiłł the Red not "Rudy" M.K. 17:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The person who wrote this article probably used Polish language book sources. In the English language book "The History of Lithuania" by Z. Kiaupa, he is called Nicolaus Radvila the Red. Juraune 06:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What name did he use himself ? "Rudy" is different to "Red", which is "czerwony" as in "Czerwony Sztandar" (now "Kurier Wileński"). --Lysy^talk 08:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

He used latin name Nicolaus Radvil (certainly not Radziwiłł). At the time most of Lithuanian magnates didn't speak polish well. And I do doubt that he used his nickname referring to himself.--Lokyz 08:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Rudy is difficult to translate, but Red seems to be used by most English sources. I'd suggest adding a footnote about translation to the article if we go with red.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 14:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Rudy is the same as in Russian "рыжий" - Lithuanian it is rudas or raudonas, in English only red, not brown. So meaning des not change.--Lokyz 15:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Good, I'd support rename to Mikołaj Radziwiłł the Red, provided a footnote about "Rudy" is added, per Piotrus. --Lysy^talk 17:23, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Moved to "the Red" along with 3 other nicknamed relatives. Renata 00:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Polish-Lithuanian

@Cukrakalnis why do you start an edit war trying to remove mention of Radzwiłł's Polishness? Polish was his native language, his mother was Polish, and he died way after the union of Lublin Marcelus (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I did not have any intention of starting an WP:Edit War and instead, it is your actions of reverting that could make that a reality. It is bizarre of you to talk about the "Polishness" of a person that was opposed to his country, Lithuania, joining a union with Poland. If anything, that would indicate that his "Lithuanianness" was more important to him than "Polishness".

You have not provided any proof that Polish was his native language and that's not mentioned in the article at all. His mother being Polish does not affect his nationality, because as far as I know, patrilineality generally determined nationality and ethnicity in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. There are Kings of Poland that had German mothers yet they are not Polish-German - the mother of Casimir II the Just was the German woman Salomea of Berg. The person in question died 15 years after the Union of Lublin to which he was very opposed. His death after an act that he strongly rejected means little considering that he lived most of his life before it - as many as 57 years. He had already lived most of his life and he was obviously very attached to Lithuania instead of Poland. Describing Radziwill as having a Polish-Lithuanian identity as you are trying to is an obvious falsification of history judging by the actions of the person we are talking about. Cukrakalnis (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Check may changes, and hold your horses when it comes to my accusing me of falsification of history. Marcelus (talk) 08:25, 20 August 2023 (UTC)