Talk:Miller-Melone Ranch

Articles for creation

@Anuwrites: I was wondering if you could take a look at this article about the Draft:Miller-Melone Ranch? Thanks! Greg Henderson (talk) 16:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a backlog. Why is your draft a priority that should be considered first @Greghenderson2006? Star Mississippi 01:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

And why are you WP:CANVASSING your preferred reviewer who accepted your previous submission cited only to four primary source government publications and an unreliable source that likely would've been declined by experienced reviewers? Left guide (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@Greghenderson2006 reviewers will look into it. ANU^writes 04:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Basic inconsistencies

@Greghenderson2006: A couple of initial questions.

1. This is a draft for an article about a historic house. Can you tell me why you think it therefore should have two large images of people within it?
2. The lead says The house was designed by architect Frank Delos Wolfe in 1911, for William Thomas Melone and his wife Lucy and then the section below says Upon Lucy Melone's death in 1905. Please explain how someone designed a house for someone who died six years prior?

Note, I would appreciate you answering these questions about why you have drafted the article the way you have, rather than responding by simply changing the text, as you have done in response to questions on other drafts. Thank you. Melcous (talk) 11:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The two images are the orginal owners of the property and are coming from the NPS sources. The sentence about the house being designed by Frank Delos Wolfe in 1911, should be for Charles Miller not William Thomas Melone. Thanks for pointing this out. It was a mistake on my part. To be clear, William Thomas Melone and his wife Lucy were the original owners of the land. That is why it is called the Miller-Melone ranch. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Greg, your articles are people heavy with generous dose of name drops and images of people. While the images in question have been removed, how is it you find these two images merit The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. per WP:IMGCONTENT to begin with and among numerous pictures, the inclusion of these two images was the result of your editorial choice. Graywalls (talk) 00:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The two images depicted William Thomas Melone and Lucy A. Melone, the original owners of the Miller-Melone Ranch property and the parents of Lillian who later married Charles Miller. Following the parents' death, the property was inherited by their five children. Lillian and Charles built the Miller-Melone house on a portion of the 20 acres they inherited. These images illustrate the familial transition of land ownership in Santa Clara County during the turn of the century. While I see value in including this historical story through images, I have opted to remove them in accordance with your suggestion to streamline the article. Thank you for your input. Greg Henderson (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

So your point is that they are photos of two people who had nothing to do with the House itself (the subject of this article) at all, but simply owned land on which it was built well after they had both died? (And the article is in no way about the familial transtion of land ownership in Santa Clara County during the turn of the century, so why on earth would that need to be "illustrated"?). The fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge that these images do not meet the criteria for inclusion is, frankly, astounding. Melcous (talk) 01:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The images were included in the orignal source document from the NRHP to show that the Melone family developed this land that later became the Miller-Melone Ranch. They were the early pioneers in the area. Their daughter inherited 21.23 acres of this land, which they developed into orchards, a homestead, and other buildings on the property. Adding the images is probably not necessary, but were in my orginal draft to illustrate that the current ranch began from land from her parents William Thomas Melone and Lucy A. Melone. Greg Henderson (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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