Talk:Milton Adolphus

Sources

Does anyone have sources for the fact that Adolphus wrote "Dream a Little Dream of Me" and that he appeared in vaudeville? Thanks! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 15:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The ACA currently credits him with the score: http://composers.com/milton-adolphus. Proscriptus (talk) 19:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Both are derived from interviews with surviving contemporaries and family members; photographic and other information exists for Vaudeville. The family has embarked on a long, tedious project to track down an original "Dream a Little Dream of Me" score or other paperwork from Viktor/RCA/Bertlesmann. talk • contribs 16:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

We now believe an original score is either in his archives, or among materials he donated to the Harwich, Massachusetts Public Library. We will post a hi-res copy when we unearth one. Proscriptus (talk • contribs 19:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Make that the [NICKERSON ADOLPHUS COLLECTION][1], at the Brooks Free Library, containing "Manuscripts and published copies of Adolphus's musical works, including symphonies, quartets, and chamber music; correspondence; biographical materials; essays; information concerning his civic activities; clippings; and memorabilia.. Proscriptus (talk • contribs 15:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Citation question: I receieved the following email from the American Composers Alliance; how do I cite in the article the location of some scores?

We have about 30 master scores and sets of parts for him in our collection at the University of Maryland.

Now that our new website is up and running, we will be able to do more promotional work, and I know there are people who would be interested in seeing these scores, which we offer through our reprint service....

Gina Genova

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Gina Genova | Executive Director AMERICAN COMPOSERS ALLIANCE 802 W. 190th St. Suite 1B | New York, NY 10040 V: 212.925.0458 | F: 212.925.6798 gina@composers.com | www.composers.com

Proscriptus (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Biographical infobox

Individual projects don't determine global Wikipedia policy. Please leave the infobox intact until a global Wikipedia policy is in place. Wikiproject New York can't create a rule that all New Yorkers don't get infoboxes, it has to be determined at a global level, so the look and feel of the encyclopedia is consistent among biographies. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no WP policy to say that all biographies must have biographical infoboxes. --Kleinzach 10:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Richard has a point: any "project" can claim Adolphus their property (it's not) and raise an inter-project war around minor embellishments (what a waste of time). Imagine WP:NewYork consolidating and enforcing the opposite rule to deter the "classicists". There is no WP policy against it either. NVO (talk) 10:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Please refer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers#Lead section and read the relevant discussions (see here), which were exhaustive. P.S. This bio-infobox was placed by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) who's been repeatedly putting it back, see [2]. Non-one else has asked for it. (And please remember to indent, OK?)--Kleinzach 10:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The Composers wikiproject has had an extensive discussion about the merits of infoboxes on composer pages and there is overwhelming sentiment against them. I suspect RAN didn't know this and that is why he has engaged in the current bout of edit warring. However, please do not restore the infobox until this wider consensus has again been engaged at the composer's project page. Please note that I concur completely with the idea of global consensus, but infoboxes are not sanctioned Wikipedia policy. Hence, as Andy Mabbett discovered, it is entirely reasonable for an individual project to determine a best-practice within a certain area and to uphold it. Clearly no group of editors owns a topic but I refer interested editors to this ANI discussion on the topic and I suspect that if this edit war continues the results will be similar. Eusebeus (talk) 23:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Individual wikiprojects are deleting infoboxes from articles where this article is currently being used as an example. (I tentatively agree that person-infoboxes are generally a useful thing at all our articles, for certain readers. I agree that there are relevant objections to the mis-use of infoboxes (such as over-generalization problems) in some instances. I also agree that Andy Mabbett's participation often destroys any hope of consensus in a discussion... Anyhoo...) -- Quiddity (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

For the record, what I discovered is that a relatively small group of people are, in the name of a project, able to enforce ownership against consensus. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Consensus of a project, versus consensus of a MoS guideline. Yes.

I for one, am not convinced that one group of people is more powerful/authoritative than the other group of people. I often wish you weren't quite so "convinced" of things, too. It might prevent some fires... ;) -- Quiddity (talk) 00:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

"Non-one [sic] else has asked for" an infobox. Okay, I want one. This article is covered my multiple Wikiprojects, let alone global consensus that infoboxes for individuals are a productive means of summarizing an article about a person. I would suggest that the Folks at Wikiproject Composers develop standards on what items should appear in these infoboxes and explain why these standards have been set. That the existing decision conflicts with Wikipedia-wide policy raises significant red flags. Alansohn (talk) 00:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so if the members of a WikiProject have reached consensus, then that's good enough for the rest of us. Qqqqqq (talk) 08:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Referrals to the Milton Adolphus infobox question

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) has referred to the infobox here in new topics either entitled "Individual wikiprojects are deleting infoboxes form articles" or "WikiProject Classical music is deleting infoboxes from articles under their control" on:

• Template talk:Infobox Person
• Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)
• Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography
• Template talk:Infobox Musical artist
• Template talk:Infobox Actor

(With one crossreference to: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council) --Kleinzach 02:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggest that where overlap occurs and if there is a difference of opinion, that the article first be identified as part of a Vaudeville Wiki-project (if there is one) as well as the Classical one. Then a discussion between editors from both groups should proceed on the article-specific talk page before deciding on deletion. Markhh (talk) 04:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this a problem between two opposing projects. (The relevant project is actually Composers not Classical music, see banners above.) There is no Vaudeville project. (The article on Vaudeville isn't even bannered.) The range of music projects is displayed here. --Kleinzach 04:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, got it. Thanks. Markhh (talk) 05:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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