Talk:Minuet

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Adapted from 1911 enc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodium (talk • contribs) 01:54, 13 March 2002 (UTC)

With an OCR error. 1/8 time would be stupid. Dictionary.com returns "A slow, stately pattern dance in 3/4 time for groups of couples, originating in 17th-century France."

the Oxford English Dictionary says "A slow, stately dance, in triple measure, for two dancers; derived from France in the latter part of the seventeenth century, and fashionable throughout the eighteenth." In other words, 3/4 since they didn't specify 3/8 or 3/16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koyaanis Qatsi (talk • contribs) 20:08, 22 May 2002 (UTC)

I thought that a minuet is in 6/8 time, but I haven't changed the entry in that regard. User:Wetman — Preceding undated comment added 09:00, 26 September 2003 (UTC)

You're part right - the most familiar type of minuet (at least in classical music) is in the French style - it's slow and stately, and is written in 3/4. However, in Italy, the minuet was considerably faster, and it's often written in 3/8 or sometimes 6/8 (you sometimes get these at the end of Italian overtures). I'll tweak the article a bit to reflect this. --Camembert — Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 26 September 2003 (UTC)

(Afterthought) - actually, I've feeling I've seen minuets by Rameau in 6/8 as well (which means maybe Lully wrote them that way also), but I could be imagining it. --Camembert — Preceding undated comment added 19:46, 27 September 2003 (UTC)

I need help

I need info on 'minuets' for my music project. does any one has any useful suggestions of what info i could use? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.198.75 (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2003 (UTC)

Minuet, from Star Trek

Once the Star Trek character has her own article, the paragraph in this article can be shortened to the bare minimum necessary for disambiguation. ShutterBugTrekker 19:41, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Structure

While sort of rewriting this article, I decided to give it a chronological structure, rather than separating history and form as it was before. I'm not sure if this was a wise choice, so comments are welcome, I guess. EldKatt (Talk) 17:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Removed reference to Nintendo 64 song

Folks, I have again removed 24.242.31.37's reference to the Nintendo 64's song Minuet of the Forest. This tune was not even a minuet IIRC, was certainly not notable, and does not add any information to the article. Oscar 01:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Help for music students

Given that this article is under "musical forms," I'd like to see more information useful to students in music classes who have been assigned the homework of writing a minuet and are wrestling with the form. I.e., |I V||V I| structure, etc. Maybe once I figure out what I'm doing, I'll work on something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.166.231 (talk) 14:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Original Four?

Does anybody have a source other than this website http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3minuet.htm

That

Originally there were only four Minuets,

1. The Queen's Minuet or Le Minuet de la Reine,
2. Le Minuet de Dauphin,
3. Le Minuet d'Exaudet,
4. Le Minuet de la Cour - (still popular today in certain circles). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vonfraginoff (talk • contribs) 10:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Inline citations

User:Feline Hymnic has requested a discussion on this page of changes recently made to the inline citation style established for this article on 6 March 2009 in this edit. The reason given for altering the established citation style is that several non-conforming citations had recently been added, and now outnumbered the parenthetical inline citations already in place. This is contrary to Wikipedia:Citing sources, which states specifically: "If an article already has citations, adopt the method in use or seek consensus on the talk page before changing it." It says nothing about "votes" accumulated by subsequent non-conforming citations. It appears to me in addition that Feline Hymnic may be confusing inline citations with footnotes. Once again referring to "WP:Citing sources": "Two styles of inline citation are commonly used on Wikipedia: clickable footnotes (<ref> tags, as above) and parenthetical references. The latter would involve adding (Smith 2011, p. 1) in round brackets within the sentence, while the former would include the same citation in a footnote". I submit that there is no justification for changing the established reference style, and my correction should therefore be restored.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Lully and the Trio

Can cite the Grove article "Trio" for the Lully bit. 157.178.2.1 (talk) 18:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but I find no mention at all of the minuet (or of Lully's use of trio texture to alternate with the main section of dances) in the New Grove/2 article "Trio" article by McClymonds, et al. Are you possibly referring to an earlier edition of Grove?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Redirect and/or disambiguation please

I apologise, I have not yet learnt how to set up redirect and disambiguation. Why is one needed? Many composers did not use the term minuet, in my present short digital library I have minuetto, menuet, menuette, menuetto. If I search wikipedia for these I will be directed to pages on J.S. Bach, &c., but not to the page that tells me about the classical music form known in English as minuet. If I was looking at one of the wiki-pages on Bach, and saw menuette and did not know what that was, I would not at present be able to find out through wikipedia. Redirection and disambiguation would be a good thingBrunswicknic (talk) 11:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

To start with, let us be clear that "redirects" and "disambiguations" are more or less opposite categories. A disambiguation page lists two or more different senses for one and the same word. Set is a good example. What you are asking for are redirects, and I am a little puzzled that you mention minuetto, menuet, and menuetto, all three of which currently redirect to this article. "Menuette", on the other hand, is a much less-often encountered variant Fench spelling, and does not currently have a redirect. Perhaps it should. May I ask, in what way are you being redirected to "pages on J.S. Bach, &c."? When I type in any of these terms (except for the rare French variant), I am taken directly to this article. What happens in your case? In general, to learn about reditects and how to create them, see Wikipedia:Redirect.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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