Talk:Mirroring

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Merger proposal

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Closing merge proposal. Result was no consensus after over three years of open discussion. WTF? (talk) 02:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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This two articles (Mirroring (psychology) and Rapport) are basically the same. They should be merged into one. --Micru (talk) 00:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Both of these articles cover the same subject anyway. Infact, this article seems more like an article on Rapport! "in rapport and mirroring" "The best rapport may be gained..". TigerTails (talk) 16:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Incorporating "rapport" into the mirroring article might be harmless, if done well. However, in my (layperson's) view of psychological mirroring, it is far more extensive than just mimicking movements, etc. As hinted in the Kohut quote, there is a vast range of activity in mirroring the experience of others in the development and/or repair of their psychological health. --RayBirks (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I would recommend that they stay separate given that there is insufficient information on mirroring by itself. Isopraxism (mirroring) i think could be a stand-alone article. The grounds that rapport is similar enough to mirroring that they could be combined, is in my view insufficient. Mirroring could be considered an indicator of rapport (thus a subset), but rapport encompasses much more than mirroring. After reviewing both articles, in light of available (but omitted) research it seems that each needs expansion. In my view, there is enough content to justify the existence of both articles. Thekappen (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

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Kohut, 1977, pp. 146-147

the reference to "kohut" is not clear. the book/article is not mentioned in the sources/references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.67.82 (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Rapport is two people having a friendly discussion and an exchange of ideas. Mirroring is a deception foisted on someone in an attempt to manipulate. It may evolve to the point of being subconsciously done from practice or instinct, but it's intent is to con or manipulate a person by manufacturing the same attributes and body language as the "target." i would say that mirroring is more the technique used to reach rapport and rapport refers more to the connection then the technique. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.129.243 (talk) 22:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

The two articles are similar only because they are both incomplete. Mirroring is not necessarily a deceptive practice either, it is also subconsciously done between friends as well as in certain hierarchical social structures when a person is identifying with someone of greater power (consciously or subconsciously). In my opinion, the two articles should be expanded rather than merged. Andrew Nickel (talk) 05:25, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

7/15/10 Comments.

Mirroring and rapport are not the same. Articles should remain separate, and better split / explained.

"Individuals with mental retardation or autism often engage in echolalia in speech or gestures made by others are mirrored" is awkward.

'Matching and mirroring' (http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-280172.html) not, or no longer, useful, here. Now redirects to http://ca.dummies.com/Section/index.html, a generic, and for the purposes of this discussion, useless, page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.228.174 (talk) 02:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I would never have looked up mirroring. I looked up Rapport as that was the word I wanted the definiton of. It should not be merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.95.241 (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

d.c.c.e. ?

The last line in "occurrence" section uses an abbreviation I don't find mentioned anywhere in academic article searches nor the web: "d.c.c.e.", which is supposedly short for "difficulty comprehending complex emotions". Not sure using the acronym adds anything, nor does the sentence for that matter, especially seeing as it is not cited.

Whole sentence sounds like someone's made up psychobabble:

sentence as it stands now (8/17/2014 6:07 Pacific time): "It also takes place with people with certain degrees of difficulty comprehending complex emotions, or d.c.c.e. certain types of people with d.c.c.e. lack the emotional range of a normal person, though they can learn to mimic, or mirror the emotions, or attitude shown at them, and then reflect said emotions, or attitude right back at the original person, while still never actually feeling the actual emotion."

But I'm not an expert by any means.

-Karl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.113.18 (talk) 01:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

The whole sentence was contributed by an editor/contributor whose only contribution appears to be that sentence. Edit in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mirroring_(psychology)&diff=600992920&oldid=597388715 contributor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:9:1800:294:2D8C:E635:6A95:AEDD

-Karl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.113.18 (talk) 01:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Terminology & Sources

While the article lays a decent foundation as a general idea of the concept of mirroring, the voice in which it is written could use some revision as to appear less like an essay and more like a report. The addition of more objective information could help reduce the likelihood of this page being read as an essay. As has been previously mentioned, the Kohut reference is a bit ambiguous and could use some elaboration - perhaps drawing a solid connection to Kohut's theories and the concept of mirroring in a more in-depth explanation. The term "mental retardation" is outdated and should be edited to "intellectual disability" as to reflect the changes in the linked article. A brief description as to how mirroring and imitation differ from one another may help to solidify the concept, as in its current state the article may imply that mirroring and imitation are one in the same. Lastly, this page has very few sources which could likely contribute to any bias seen within the article. Adding additional sources such as Chartrand and Bargh's "The Chameleon Effect: The Perception-Behavior Link and Social Interaction", Word, Zanna, and Cooper's "The Nonverbal Mediation of Self-Fulfilling Prophecies in Interracial Interaction" (Demonstrates the effect of mirroring in interviews), or Bailenson and Yee's "Digital Chameleons: Automatic Assimilation of Nonverbal Gestures in Immersive Visual Environments", as well as adding a more specific source for Kohut's work (A particular book or article).

Additional sources: Marco Iacoboni's "Mirroring People: The New Science of How We Connect with Others" Meltzoff, Andrew N.'s "Foundations for developing a concept of self: The role of imitation in relating self to other and the value of social mirroring, social modeling, and self practice in infancy." Jennifer H. Pfeifer, Marco Iacoboni, John C. Mazziotta, and Mirella Dapretto's "Mirroring others’ emotions relates to empathy and interpersonal competence in children" Marianne LaFrance's "Postural Mirroring and Intergroup Relations" Guy, James D.'s "Self-care corner: Holding the holding environment together: Self-psychology and psychotherapist care." Jaime A. Pineda's "Mirror Neuron Systems: The Role of Mirroring Processes in Social Cognition" Am J Psychiatry's "Heinz Kohut's self psychology: an overview"

Future plans: Mirroring is the subconscious replication of another person's nonverbal signals. The display of mirroring often begins as early as infancy, as babies begin to mimic individuals around them and establish connections with particular body movements. Mirroring can establish rapport with the individual who is being mirrored, as the similarities in nonverbal gestures allow the individual to feel more connected with the person exhibiting the mirrored behavior.

I plan to edit the sections of the article to include development of mirroring behavior, the occurrence of the behavior as well as the way it can establish rapport with others. Each of these sections will be thoroughly fleshed out. I will reword the article in a more report-like manner. Additionally, I will remove irrelevant links and add more relevant ones such as mirror neurons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csuydam11 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Csuydam11 (talk) 01:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion

FYI

 – This section's header was added during refactoring at 15:13, 24 October 2018 (UTC).

Might suggest making a link to Emotional contagion or Mimicry. Alex Redding (talk) 23:19, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Mirroring (psychology)

Overall I think this article has a good start. I would suggest to correct the usage of some personal words. Also to link this article to the “mirror neuron” article in Wikipedia for those who may not know what that is. If the article could possibly expand more on the small section where it mentions individuals with intellectual disabilities. Lastly, maybe mention an experiment as an example following the citation for it. JeheliO (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Kohlberg

What does Kohlberg have to say about this? It appears to be a rather conventional thing to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.21.166.82 (talk) 20:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 30 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 12:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Mirroring (psychology) → Mirroring
• Mirroring → Mirroring (disambiguation)

– The psychology topic gets over twice as many views as all the topics on the DAB combined (and including the DAB at Mirroring itself).

I've added entries for Port mirroring and AirPlay Mirroring to both the DAB at Mirroring and the section at Mirror (disambiguation)#Computing (because it already had Disk mirroring, and Mirror (computing) redirects there). If my proposal is accepted, the DAB page at Mirroring (disambiguation) would mirror that at Mirror (computing), so I'd propose to replace it with a redirect. 94.21.10.204 (talk) 14:19, 30 December 2019 (UTC)—Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 12:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose No primary topic between the computer and psychological terms._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:13, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

It's WP:PRIMARYUSAGE (bullet point 1), as I have shown. 94.21.10.204 (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Primary means its views are far beyond all the others. Port mirroring and disk mirroring get a smaller, but still sizable subset of views. I do not believe there is any primary topic here, even after looking at pageviews._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment A topic is primary if it is "much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined" to be sought by the reader.

Over the past five years, mirroring (psychology) had 64.9% of all relevant pageviews, and 3.06 as many as the next most popular topic.

Given these facts, mirroring (psychology) is undeniably the primary topic for mirroring. Paradoctor (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose -- no need for this primarygrab. Dicklyon (talk) 05:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I (the nominator) am far more interested in computing than in psychology. That doesn't change the facts. 94.21.10.204 (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Longer term page views show unambiguously that Mirroring (psychology) is the primary topic with respect to usage: it is much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:53, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. A Google search for "mirroring" turns up mainly results related to the psychological subject. The second most common result is screen mirroring (in general, not specifically AirPlay Mirroring), which isn't listed or mentioned on any of the mirror/mirroring dab pages and doesn't have its own article. You have to go many pages deep before you get to disk or port mirroring. Wikipedia pageviews also suggest Mirroring (psychology) being the clear primary topic, as pointed out by Shhhnotsoloud. Surachit (talk) 01:41, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support per my comment above. Paradoctor (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - long before computer mirroring was a thing and probably long after it ceases to be a thing, psychological mirroring will endure. Red Slash 23:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support, as this appears to be the topic with the most significant long-term historical importance. BD2412 T 04:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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