Talk:Miss Canada International

I seriously doubt this statement : " Miss Canada International Inc. held the rights to send a Canadian representative to Miss Worldfor five years but lost that right in 2003 after Miss World Organization complained of actions caused by then titleholder, Lynsey Bennett in Nigeria". I've never heard of a national director lose franchise because of a titleholder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.115.63.78 (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Foremost, Wikipedia, is an online encyclopedia. It informs facts! Jaillet is the 2007 winner. In comparison, MUO doesn't recognize Oxana Fedorova as Miss Universe 2002 but she is still added in the Wikipedia entries because she won. Facts! Rachel Jaillet is the 2007 winner. Period. We should also add the years MCI attended Miss World. I believe it's 1997-2002. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_World_Canada — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sblanchard3 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Someone continues to remove the information about Sylvia Stark, who is very much still a part of this organization. As noted below, it is imperative that her name remain attached to the organization in a noticeable way. Additional sources have been included to confirm her involvement. [[User:CherylTavs|CherylTavs] (talk) 19:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

As a side issue, what exactly is the composition of this organization's administrative leadership? Their webpage offers no information. Sylvia Stark was the CEO/Director/Producer/Something for a decade, but recently her name has faded from association with the organization (obviously due to her poor public profile). As she is regularly captured with titleholders by media outlets, she is very clearly still involved with the pageant Recent article. Is the organization hiding her involvement, or has her role been downgraded? It is very important that this article contain a reference to her participation if it continues, as she has been convicted of fraud, and numerous other allegations have been made about the legitimacy of her business practices. Potential pageant participants and their communities have the right to comprehensive and unbiased information about the organization and its stakeholders before investing or fundraising large sums of money. CherylTavs (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Clearly this is an issue of language. The article refers to pageant "winners". After all, the pageant is a contest. If Rachel Jaillet was the declared winner of the pageant, then she is the "winner". While the organization may have dethroned Jaillet afterwards, and named a new titleholder, Jaillet remains one of that year's two titleholders. Jaillet was selected by a team of judges after a "legitimate" competition, and should be recognized for as much. Tuyishime is her replacement titleholder. That year should include two listings, similar in style to the year of Bennett/Sammarelli. CherylTavs (talk) 19:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Please stop editing this page to include someone who is not recognized as a titlehoolder from the organization. The only titleholder for 2007 is Solonge Tuyishime. Solonge held her title for 2 years, 2006-2007, and is the only titleholder of record with Miss Canada International. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss Canada Int'l Liaison (talk • contribs)

Rachel Jaillet, Miss Canada International 2007. Shot at the Toronto St. Patrick's Day parade. March 18, 2007

You need to cite a reliable source to say what the situation is. As it stands, this is the only reliable source. It quite clearly says, and shows with a picture, that Rachel Jaillet won. Initially, even MCI's web site, confirmed this, but changed later. Now, obviously, something happened. Apparently, MCI had a problem with Jaillet. So, you need to explain what happened/changed, and provide an *independent* source. But, what's not ok, is for us to just change the names, and pretend that Rachel Jaillet wasn't selected. She obviously was initially selected. If it's not clear: you (as MCI) are *not* a reliable source, because you are not independent. As a comparison, Danielle House isn't recognized by MCI any more, but we handled it by including an appropriate notation, and citation. --Rob (talk) 21:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Rachel refused to sign the contract, no contract, no title. She wasnt dethroned like Danielle, she never legitimatelyy held the title due to the fact that she never held the ttle legitimately in the first place. She was initially mentioned on the website due to her selection but when she refused to actually accept thhe position, she was removed. The organization does not recognize her as a titleholder, why are you so adament to have her information on there? Aa reliable source? Thhe company that owns the title is not a reliable source? I have told you to email for confirmation, liaison@misscanadainternational.com. I dont think there needs to be media coverage foor someone who was never in efffect hired for a position. It was offered, she declined, end of story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss Canada Int'l Liaison (talk • contribs) 21:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Read our policy on reliable sources. Also, read our policy on on reverting. If you revert this page more than 3 times in 24 hours, you can be blocked. Finally, sign your name and the end of your comments with four tildes (~~~~). --Rob (talk) 21:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

ok then how about removing the page altogether instead of having false information. It is absolutely ridiculous that a company has to prove something via media in order to have correct information going out to the public. How much more reliable of a source can there be than the person who is actually in charge of the information you are arguing about? This is not information it is misinformation that you are posting.Miss Canada Int'l Liaison (talk) 21:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was MCI that announced to the media she was the winner, and let her use the title for some time at multiple public events, before trying pretend nothing happened. We don't let people or organizations control articles about themselves or use articles for self-serving purposes. We can't assume one side in a dispute is telling the truth. We go by independent soruces. Oh, and you're not "in charge" of anything here. --Rob (talk) 22:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

'pretend nothing happened'???? Self serving??? I am giving you information direct from the soource! She didnt sign the contract therefore her position with the organization was null and void. She was chosen and crowned, yes, however refused to sign the contract that came along with the offer of the position. Her appearences should never have happened, however we were always under the impression that the contract was 'in the mail' or 'coming with her' on her trips to Ontario. When it became apparent that she did not intend to sign the contract, she was not booked at any more appearances and Solonge took over the booked appearences and her title was rolled over to 2007. It was so late in the year that to expect her runner up to take over was out of the question. As the company that owns the title, I would imagine that yes we are 'in charge' of it and although it is obvious that you are being spiteful, Solonge Tuyishime will be the only recognized titleholder for Miss Canada Internatiional 2007, regardless of how many times you edit this page...since I gather you are 'in charge', you can enjoy your power trip, it doesnt change the fact that she is NOT a titleholder with MCI.Miss Canada Int'l Liaison (talk) 23:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not in charge. Nobody is. We are all subject to the policies of the project. One of those policies is Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I will post this issue on a notice board, to hopefully get some other editors to have an input here. --Rob (talk) 01:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

There just aren't reliable sources out there for this, but while we're at it, I did find [1] which names a different winner than the one listed for 2003. Given the difficulty of finding reliable, secondary sources about the topic, though, I am having some trouble believing that this actually needs an article. Cool3 (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The source appears to have confused "Miss International Canada" with "Miss Canada International". MCI does not send winners to the Miss International competition. MCI used to send winners to Miss World. But you're correct, there is a real problem with the lack of sources. I think the solution is a full rewrite, that discusses that which is written about, and removes the lists of winners. Instead, only the more notable years need to be mentioned, in prose, not in table format. For instance, events related to Lynsey Bennett and the Nigeria riots, were heavily covered, and notable. Unless somebody beats me to it, I do plan on a doing an appropriate rewrite. --Rob (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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