Talk:Miss Monte-Cristo
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Sa Young Sun in topic Credits in the infobox
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Credits in the infobox
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Sa Young Sun wants to delete Kyung Sung-hwan and Lee Sang-bo from the credits in the infobox.[1][2][3] The reason he/she gave in two of his/her edit summaries was MOS:TVCAST (though it is not obvious how the policy is relevant).
Stevencocoboy objects to this change to the infobox, and prefers the old version, though he/she has not explained why.[4][5][6]
@Sa Young Sun: Why do you want to delete those two names from the infobox? And why do you think MOS:TVCAST is relevant to your edits? @Stevencocoboy: Please could you explain your reasons for wanting the two names included in the infobox.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- MOS:TVCAST: "The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits".
- The show's end credits order: "Lee So-yeon ,Choi Yeo-jin, Sunwoo Yong-nyeo, Lee Hwang-eui, Lee Hwang-eui, Oh Mi-hee, Lee Mi-young, Kwon Oh-hyeon, Kim Mi-ra, Kyung Sung-hwan, Lee Sang-bo, Lee Da-hae, Lee Hye-ran, Han Gi-yoon...".
- The official poster also followed the order of cast of the end credits. Lee So-yeon and Choi Yeo-jin's name shows big-font. Sa Young Sun (talk) 15:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Why didn't you add Sunwoo Yong-nyeo to the list? M.Bitton (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Because Lee So-yeon and Choi Yeo-jin's name shows big-font on the poster, Korean drama's poster did it all the time (main cast gets big-font). Actually, if you want to list Sunwoo Yong-nyeo, I'm cool with it, this is soap opera, they're all regular, I just want to say Kyung Sung-hwan and Lee Sang-bo isn't listed at third and fourth place. Sa Young Sun (talk) 16:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Where did you get the idea that "big fonts" dictate what can and cannot be added? M.Bitton (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- My point is not ""big fonts" dictate what can and cannot be added", what I'm saying is following the end credits. Sa Young Sun (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- This all seem to be arbitrary to me and not based on any policy or guideline. I also note that the two names that you want to delete are sourced in the article's body. M.Bitton (talk) 17:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- The policy MOS:TVCAST has rules for the order of the cast listing, and acknowledges that the order in programme credits may not be the same in all episodes of a series (and has a rule to cope with that). It does not say that the cast listing in the infobox must be complete; and it does not have rules for which ones are missed out. As the earlier version of the infobox listed the names in the order that you say they were in the original broadcast credits, complies with that policy.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- So you mean it can skip Sunwoo Yong-nyeo to Kim Mi-ra, only listed this four actors? If it can skip any actors, then what does it mean for this policy? The old version and my version is all acceptable? Sa Young Sun (talk) 18:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- You raised the issue of MOS:TVCAST as a justification for deleting two members of the cast from the infobox. You were mistaken. If you feel that other actors mentioned in the article should also be mentioned in the infobox, that is fine. MOS:TVCAST tells you what order they should be listed in.
- So you mean it can skip Sunwoo Yong-nyeo to Kim Mi-ra, only listed this four actors? If it can skip any actors, then what does it mean for this policy? The old version and my version is all acceptable? Sa Young Sun (talk) 18:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- The policy MOS:TVCAST has rules for the order of the cast listing, and acknowledges that the order in programme credits may not be the same in all episodes of a series (and has a rule to cope with that). It does not say that the cast listing in the infobox must be complete; and it does not have rules for which ones are missed out. As the earlier version of the infobox listed the names in the order that you say they were in the original broadcast credits, complies with that policy.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- This all seem to be arbitrary to me and not based on any policy or guideline. I also note that the two names that you want to delete are sourced in the article's body. M.Bitton (talk) 17:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- My point is not ""big fonts" dictate what can and cannot be added", what I'm saying is following the end credits. Sa Young Sun (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Where did you get the idea that "big fonts" dictate what can and cannot be added? M.Bitton (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Because Lee So-yeon and Choi Yeo-jin's name shows big-font on the poster, Korean drama's poster did it all the time (main cast gets big-font). Actually, if you want to list Sunwoo Yong-nyeo, I'm cool with it, this is soap opera, they're all regular, I just want to say Kyung Sung-hwan and Lee Sang-bo isn't listed at third and fourth place. Sa Young Sun (talk) 16:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Why didn't you add Sunwoo Yong-nyeo to the list? M.Bitton (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you want to delete some names from the infobox, it would be helpful if you could give a valid reason for doing so. If other editors object to their deletion (which is the case here), and the reason you give is not applicable (which is the case here), then the names stay.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- From my point of view, that order of the cast is wrong, but I understand your point. If you all agree, I hope you can help me put other actors into the infobox, it's way better than me to do it. Sa Young Sun (talk) 10:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you write the list in the order you want, I will put it in the infobox for you. But all the names needed to be mentioned in the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Starring:
- Lee So-yeon
- Choi Yeo-jin
- Sunwoo Yong-nyeo
- Lee Hwang-eui
- Kyung-sook
- Oh Mi-hee
- Lee Mi-young
- Kwon Oh-hyeon
- Kim Mi-ra
- Kyung Sung-hwan
- Lee Sang-bo
- Lee Da-hae
- Lee Hye-ran
- Han Gi-yoon
- Kyung-sook changed name as Kim Kyung-sook from ep.46, I'm not sure she should be listed as Kyung-sook or Kim Kyung-sook. Sa Young Sun (talk) 13:09, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Does anyone object to the proposed change to infobox with more complete cast list? What it looks like is shown above.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:58, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's been two weeks, I think that no one objected. Sa Young Sun (talk) 01:53, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ Toddy1：Wrong starring, the main cast in drama Miss Monte-Cristo is in order by Lee So-yeon，Choi Yeo-jin，Kyung Sung-hwan and Lee Sang-bo, See in KBS official website in http://kbsworld.kbs.co.kr/program/view.php?pg_seq=1564 Stevencocoboy (talk) 06:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: It isn't wrong, why KBS World website is the "correct" one? The original website's posters and the end credits shows the full credit. Sa Young Sun (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
- @ Toddy1：Wrong starring, the main cast in drama Miss Monte-Cristo is in order by Lee So-yeon，Choi Yeo-jin，Kyung Sung-hwan and Lee Sang-bo, See in KBS official website in http://kbsworld.kbs.co.kr/program/view.php?pg_seq=1564 Stevencocoboy (talk) 06:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's been two weeks, I think that no one objected. Sa Young Sun (talk) 01:53, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Does anyone object to the proposed change to infobox with more complete cast list? What it looks like is shown above.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:58, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Starring:
- If you write the list in the order you want, I will put it in the infobox for you. But all the names needed to be mentioned in the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- From my point of view, that order of the cast is wrong, but I understand your point. If you all agree, I hope you can help me put other actors into the infobox, it's way better than me to do it. Sa Young Sun (talk) 10:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you want to delete some names from the infobox, it would be helpful if you could give a valid reason for doing so. If other editors object to their deletion (which is the case here), and the reason you give is not applicable (which is the case here), then the names stay.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)