Talk:Mississippi-class battleship

Greek names

DANFS says Mississippi became Lemnos, and Idaho became Kilkis, but www.navsource.org has it the other way 'round. Anybody know which is right?

—wwoods 23:35, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[1] concurs with navsource. Shimgray | talk | 14:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Feedback on improvements

(pasted from Parsecboy talk page for convenience) Mississippi class battleship I haven't done much at WP for a while. I ended up getting the addiction back this week and blowing off life for a while. I took this orphan stub and tried to follow the lead of your excellent German Navy articles, and one of the older US BBs that got FA. It has a ways to go, especially some deeper info on the technical issues, that I'm going to develop in sandbox. Would you mind giving me some feedback on my progress. Cheers! Kevin --Kevin Murray (talk) 02:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure - the article looks much better than it did just a few days ago, nice work! I suppose I'll bullet these out so they're easier to read:

• One thing I noticed is you'll need conversions for all of the figures (you can use the {{convert}} template for that, like 13,000 long tons (13,000 t) - I'm assuming long-tons - for the standard displacement).
• Another thing I'd recommend is to not use the naval-history.net website - it doesn't provide its own references, and wouldn't stand up in a GA or FA review. I always prefer paper sources whenever possible, and only websites when they have some sort of published expert behind them.
• I don't know if you've checked DANFS, but it might have some useful information (and potentially more useful photos).
• This is probably for a little further down the road, but since you haven't done much here in a while, you might consider putting the article through a peer review cross-listed at WP:SHIPS and WP:MILHIST to help you get into the swing of the formal reviews like for A-class and FAC.

I don't have as many sources on hand on US warships, but I do have Conway's 1906-1921 and Peter Hore's Battleships of World War I, which may be useful for you. Also, I have access to OSU's library (which is pretty good - it has nearly ever edition of Warship International back to the 1960s), so if there's anything you need I could probably get it through them. Parsecboy (talk) 14:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• • Thanks! This is great feedback. --Kevin Murray (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• Another thing, you are not italicizing ship names which is required per the MOS. I suggest you rectify this immediately. -MBK₀₀₄ 21:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Related links for construction of article

• http://www.cityofart.net/bship/uss_ms_id.html interesting but non-verifiable - same info as BigBad below

• http://bigbadbattleships.com/ interesting but non-verifiable:
  • Negotiations for the sale of the ships to Greece commenced in 1912, but the transfer was not consummated until July 1914. Before the transfer, the Mississippi became an aviation support ship and played a key rôle in the establishment of the Pensacola Naval Air Station in December 1913. The following year, the Mississippis took part in the hostilities against Pancho Villa in Mexico. Idaho was sailed to Greece on a training cruise, whereupon her crew transferred to the Maine (BB-10) for the return voyage. Mississippi was formally decommissioned and handed over to a Greek crew at Newport News. The battleships arrived right on the brink of WWI, in which Greece at first remained very carefully neutral while war raged on all her borders. Upon transfer, Uncle Sam's treasury received about 75% of its bad investment back; and Greece received two economical but powerful pre-dreadnoughts which sailed under the Hellenic cross as Kilkis and Lemnos -- a duty they performed through the early years of WWII. Their names recalled important Greek victories in the First Balkan War, when Greece and her allies had drubbed Turkey and shorn her of her remaining European territory. In the Mediterranean and Black Seas where the two ships served, their bad seakeeping qualities were minimized. If never able to operate with the speed and panache of the Averof , they at least supplied supplementary heavy gunfire in calm seas.

• • In 1916 the entire Royal Hellenic fleet was seized by France to compel Greek intervention on the side of the Allies. This was forthcoming in July 1917, and the ships were returned to control of the Venizelos rump government at Thessaloniki. During WWI they performed patrol and convoy escort duty. They saw action in the Black Sea in 1919, supporting the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (Crimean Campaign). Immediately afterward they played an important rôle in the 1919-22 Greco-Turkish War. Greece was given special leave by her allies, France, Armenia and Italy, to recover historically Greek lands in a full-scale invasion of Turkey. This operation began with troop landings at Smyrna. After a brisk start, the campaign was beset with political interference from Athens after the Venizelos government was ousted. The royalist faction proceeded to purge the military leadership of Venizelos loyalists. This occurring in the middle of a major offensive, the Turks took advantage of their adversary's discomfiture to deal him a couple of thumping defeats outside Ankara; the war ended with all Greek troops being expelled by a powerful, grass-roots Turkish resistance. This movement was ably led by Mustafa Kemal Pasha, the hero of Gallipoli. Following the Anatolian fiasco, both Kilkis and Lemnos were active members of the Greek fleet until 1932, after which Kilkis became a training vessel and Lemnos -- her engines worn out -- a stationary coastal battery. With continuing factional infighting in government and a worldwide depression constricting finances, the Hellenic Navy had to make do between the wars. Its old units were thriftily used and reused to the maximum.

• http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Armour_plates Indirect access to 1911 Britanica article on Armor Plates.

• http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html Lib of Cong photo index - select "War & MIlitary", then select "Turn of the Century America", then Browse Collection by Subject, then "B" then Battleships
• User talk:Kevin Murray/mississippi sandbox page
• Mahan, Alfred Thayer. (1890) The Influence of Sea Power Upon History (viewable online)
• Massie, Robert K. Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the Coming of the Great War. New York: Random House, 1991. ISBN 0-394-52833-6
• Gardiner, Robert (1979). Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships, 1860-1905 Annapolis: Naval Institute Press ISBN 978-0870219122
• Navy ordnance activities: World war, 1917-1918 (viewable online)

• Torpedo research is this WP:V?
• Good background essay on guns and why not WP:V

I've pulled the See also links and dropped them here for now. I like these sections in articles as they are nice sign posts to continued knowledge, but it looks like FA custome don't support this concept. Don't know why, but not my call:

• List of battleships of the United States Navy
• Indiana class FA example
• Deutschland class battleship, the last German pre Dreadnought class
• Lord Nelson class battleship, the last British pre Dreadnought class
• Danton class battleship, the last French pre Dreadnought class --Kevin Murray (talk) 04:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

To do

• Add 1989 to all current Friedman citations
• Add new info from Friedman - Naval Firepower ref Freidman 2001

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mississippi class battleship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jim Sweeney (talk) 04:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

1. Some citation needed tags added
   • Fixed
2. The table in the ships section is redundant with all the details incorporated in teh following text
   • I agree. But I incorporated since it is consistent with the USS Indiana FA article. Personally I think that the side bars are redundant to a lot of text in most ship articles. I'd drop some of the text, but then not consistent with typical WP Ship articles.
3. Bibliography Friedman, Norman has the publisher as Naval Institute Press while Gardiner, Robert Gardiner apart from one extra GARDINER has the publisher as US Naval Institute Press. I think the first example is correct
   • Fixed
4. Mahan, Alfred Thayer. (1890) The Influence of Sea Power Upon History does not seem to have been used as a reference
   • Removed
5. Same with Gardiner, Robert Gardiner (1979). Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships, 1860-1905
   • Removed
6. The Machinery section is very cramped with two images can I suggets you delete one
   • I'm sure that your right. I like them both but I'll figure it out.
   • If you don't feel strongly, I'd like to leave them in.
7. The Armament section has no mention of the 12 × 3"/50 guns (12×1) in the inf box
   • Fixed
8. Also the inf box does not mention the torpedoes
   • Fixed
9. In the Ships section USS Mississippi (BB-23) was transferred to the Greek Navy while USS Idaho (BB-24) was transferred to the Royal Hellenic Navy. Can they both be made the same for consistency and linked. Also is transferred the correct term ? Where they just given away or sold.
   • Fixed inconsistency
   • I left transferred in the individual ships' sections, but clarified the sale in the Greek Service section. The US Navy tranferred these to the Greek Navy, but sold them to third party, who resold them to Greece. It seems better to explain in the Greek section, but open to other ideas. --Kevin Murray (talk) 17:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
10. The fate section is very small and could be included in the Greek Service section above doing away with the heading.
    • I'm awaiting some reference books that I ordered online. I hope to build this a bit in the next day or so.
    • I added a bit to it. Though it remains rather short, I do like it separate. Do you feel strongly about this? --Kevin Murray (talk) 05:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
11. Note 8 needs referencing
    • Fixed
12. The Secondary batteries needs referencing (I know its a work in progress)
    • Fixed
13. There was a mixture of American and British spellings as the date format was British day/month/year I changed them all to British spellings if wrong will change them back (only takes a minute)

--Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Passed GA --Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

debug

the turrets for the 8-inch guns were superimposed over the turrets for the 12-inch guns (see Kearsarge and Virginia classes).

should be

the turrets for the 8-inch guns were superimposed over the turrets for the 12/13-inch guns (see Kearsarge and Virginia classes).

(or main guns). pietro151.29.200.96 (talk) 12:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)