Talk:Mohammad Ilyas (cricketer, born 1996)
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Wjemather in topic Close paraphrase
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Close paraphrase
edit- This article consists of this source, converted from a table to prose with no other modification. The source is copyright and there's no indication that we have consent to copy it.—S Marshall T/C 16:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- As far as I am aware, raw score/appearance data/statistics are not copyrightable. ESPN Cricinfo does not own this information since it is also available from a multitude of alternative sources, e.g. Wisden, CricketArchive, PCB, etc. wjematherplease leave a message... 16:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- If there are alternative sources, cite two of them! That demonstrates a GNG pass as well.—S Marshall T/C 17:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- I've listed three sites above – you are free to look them up yourself (although CA is paywalled). Since they are also merely raw stats, they do not constitute significant coverage or demonstrate a GNG pass. wjematherplease leave a message... 17:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- How would I find him on Wisden? I can't see how to distinguish him from other Mohammad Ilyases?—S Marshall T/C 17:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Date of birth and team played for can be used to differentiate. Wisden, Pakistan Cricket (uses the CA database), PCB. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- How would I find him on Wisden? I can't see how to distinguish him from other Mohammad Ilyases?—S Marshall T/C 17:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- I've listed three sites above – you are free to look them up yourself (although CA is paywalled). Since they are also merely raw stats, they do not constitute significant coverage or demonstrate a GNG pass. wjematherplease leave a message... 17:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- If there are alternative sources, cite two of them! That demonstrates a GNG pass as well.—S Marshall T/C 17:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- As far as I am aware, raw score/appearance data/statistics are not copyrightable. ESPN Cricinfo does not own this information since it is also available from a multitude of alternative sources, e.g. Wisden, CricketArchive, PCB, etc. wjematherplease leave a message... 16:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- It's obviously not a copyvio. The line "He made his first-class debut for Lahore Blues in the 2018–19 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy on 16 September 2018" isn't directly mentioned in the biography itself, infact there's no mention of the "Quaid-e-Azam Trophy" on that specific page. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, you wrote an article on a living person containing unsourced material? ——Serial 17:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- No. Re-read what I wrote, and the context it is written. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Lugnuts is saying he used a source he didn't cite.—S Marshall T/C 18:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- No. Re-read what I wrote, and the context it is written. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, you wrote an article on a living person containing unsourced material? ——Serial 17:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- No, he's not. I'm referencing the source in your original post (this source). That in itself does not mention the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Are you counting two different pages of ESPNcric.info as two separate sources?—S Marshall T/C 18:08, 28 April 2021 (UTC)