Talk:Mohammed el-Kurd

Lies

This page is full of <redacted>, in violation of Wikipedia policy. Pacificgov (talk) 04:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

That’s a pretty bold claim. If you have evidence of said lies or that the subject has edited this article, please share them so we can correct the article. Ckoerner (talk) 12:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

This talk page is also covered by WP:BLP, and so I've redacted the BLP violation in the comment above. nableezy - 15:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

And also, among the "lies" this user removed was that he was born in Sheikh Jarrah and that Israeli settlers took over a part of his home when he was 11. Found in such sources as Al-Jazeera and coverage at the time in the Guardian. Kindly dont vandalize articles by removing things while claiming they are lies when they very much are not. Kindly do not commit BLP violations on this talk page or anywhere else on Wikipedia. Thank you. nableezy - 15:10, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Syntax

The lede contains "complicit of", which I have never seen and can't find in the dictionary. "Complicit with" and "complicit in" are more common, but perhaps the intended sense is "comparable with"? The sentence also works if both words are simply dropped: "... describes the occupation as a whole as apartheid and settler colonialism". I'd edit it myself, but I'm not sure which of these wordings is justified by the sources cited. Wegesrand (talk) 07:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Wegesrand: Read the sources and your latter suggestion fits better IMO. I went ahead and made the change. MaferPues (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 November 2022

ADD:

The Anti-Defamation League has characterized el-Kurd's writing as anti-semitic. It says in part "El-Kurd has accused Israelis of eating the organs of Palestinians and of having a particular lust for Palestinian blood. He has compared Israelis to Nazis, negated the historic Jewish connection to the Land of Israel, and vilified Zionism and Zionists."

Velcrowp (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

References

Police investigation

I feel like this article should probably mention the current controversy involving el-Kurd over his call to "normalise massacres as the status quo", for which he is being investigated by the British police. He claims it was a slip of the tongue. TRCRF22 (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Write about it if you wish, but I found the sentence that he spoke very easily: “I dare you to look into the eyes of a Gazan child and tell him you tried your best. Our day will come. But we must not be complacent. Our day will come. But we must normalize massacres as a status quo.” Whether or not you believe that there are Israeli "massacres" or not, he is clearly talking about massacres by Israeli forces of Palestinians in Gaza, and thus, he meant to say that we as humans mustn't (MUST NOT) normalize these massacres as the status quo. If you argue that he is referring to the Hamas attacks on Israel of October 7, 2023, you will see that El-Kurd never refers to those as "massacres", and in fact avoids referring to specific actions of Hamas on that day. He is also not free to speak about Hamas because under Israeli law he can be jailed for saying anything in support of a terrorist organization, which Israel classifies Hamas as. Shalom! Keizers (talk) 19:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. I am not opining on what he did or did not mean to say. I am merely suggesting that this incident (a widely reported controversy resulting in a criminal investigation) is noteworthy enough to merit inclusion in the article; his denial of wanting to normalise massacres should also be noted. I can't make the change myself as the article is extended confirmed protected. Apologies for any confusion. TRCRF22 (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be OK as written. My very best wishes (talk) 16:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2024

Add Controversy/Private life: As a Gay person Mohammed Al-Kurd Was the LGBTQ spokesperson for Al Qaws a Palestinian Israeli LGBTQ NGO based in Haifa Israel. Somehow within the Wikipedia page it isn't mentioned due to pressure an threats from the Palestinian society.

Sources: "Mohammed El Kurd, a resident of occupied Al-Quds (Jerusalem) who has an unusually friendly relationship with Western Zionist media and NGOs, promotes both Al Qaws and homosexuality. Kurd also supported the Western backed riots in the Islamic Republic of Iran. The riots in Iran also called for the legalization of homosexuality. Mohammed El Kurd serves the Zionist cause whether he knows it or not."

Source:

However, Mohammed El-Kurd has now come under Palestinian fire for supporting LGBTQ+ rights, after a 2019 photo of him taking part in an event organized by Palestine's only LGBTQ+ organization, alQaws, in New York where he was studying, went viral.

A 2019 photo of Mohammed El-Kurd was shared of him taking part in an event organized by Palestinian LGBTQ group AlQaws in New York City.. (Twitter)

Sources:

Also under controversy: Mohammed El-Kurd is a prominent Palestinian activist who was hired in 2021 as the Palestine Correspondent by the left-wing magazine The Nation in 2021. He has published articles and been interviewed in a wide array of media. Unfortunately, even a cursory analysis of his social media and his book “Rifqa,” reveals an indisputably troubling pattern of rhetoric and slander that ranges far beyond reasoned criticism of Israel. It is unvarnished, vicious antisemitism. El-Kurd has accused Israelis of eating the organs of Palestinians and of having a particular lust for Palestinian blood. He has compared Israelis to Nazis, negated the historic Jewish connection to the Land of Israel, and vilified Zionism and Zionists.

Source: 120.159.212.108 (talk) 04:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Request has languages for two months with nobody willing to review it, and this seems potentially controversial. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

References

bad writing, and more

This article seems to have been hastily written; it has many grammatical faults. But I am surprised by how lacking in neutrality it reads. In other words, it strikes me as biased against the subject at every opportunity. I add that I have never made such a comment before. Even the name of his book is misspelled.(I fixed it.)

It is exhausting to try to correct the bias, I must say. It would require a full rewrite, and especially  not having a whole section in "accusations of antisemitism" that is very weak, consiering how centrl this topic is. (I also must point out that Israeli politicians call each other Nazis all the time and decorate posters of opponents with swastikas. Just a thought.) The clear confusion of anti-Zionism with antisemitism is not challenged, and an evident misstatement that led to no charges from the Met in London somehow remains in that section, while it is also averred that some of his invitations to speak at campuses in the US were canceled, while the footnote says nothing of the sort.
I get that this is a challenging topic, but the article overall is dreadful as a Wikipedia article on a relatively minor subject. Sorry.

~ ~ ~ ~ Actio (talk) 01:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

ChatGPT?

The "views" section reads like something ChatGPT would generate. 37.60.109.133 (talk) 10:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

ADL as RS

@Selfstudier and @Makeandtoss the argument being made here was per perennial sources, which officially remains unchanged so far as ADL is concerned. The current conversation is a conversation and no result has come from it. You cannot unilaterally apply adjustments to RS preemptively. Please revert this or will otherwise seek administrative opinion on the matter. Mistamystery (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

ADL is clearly an unsuitable source, basically the only editors voting "1" at RSN are those active in the IP area and that are pro Israel in virtually all of their editing. I am more than happy to explain that in whatever administrative forum you choose. Has any other source besides ADL reported this material? Selfstudier (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate all of your personal assessments, but it is not up to individual editors to assess RS or predetermine results of RSN discussions (especially when, at current status pending any result of RSN, ADL is still listed as RS). Your actions, while contextually (and personally) understandable, are premature and not appropriate if we are to follow the rules as they stand. Mistamystery (talk) 17:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

No answer to my question, so undue as well as unreliable. Selfstudier (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I am only addressing one issue, which is that there has been no change to the RS status of The ADL, and the current RSN conversation does not constitute a result.

Will refer to AN. I'm happy to be wrong here if I'm misunderstanding how RS/PN works. Mistamystery (talk) 17:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'm addressing two, sorry about that. Selfstudier (talk) 17:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Glad to see that you have added your "1" to the list. Selfstudier (talk) 17:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Per admin direction, this can (and will) be more simply remedied by bolstering with other sources.

And well...I added my (1 (2)) technically. I think there are enough considerations in place already with the source and would like to see some truly neutral commentary from RS decrying the problem here (and revoking their standing in their reporting). Until then, it's just sword waggling imo. Mistamystery (talk) 18:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mistamystery: did you bother even reading the two policies I cited?

1- WP:RSP: "Some editors consider the ADL a biased source for Israel/Palestine related topics that should be used with caution, if at all."

2- WP:BLP: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."Makeandtoss (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)